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		<title>By: Flora</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) You lost credence with me the moment you held up the EU as multicultural. It&#039;s not. Just because you can go from &quot;German-Speaking White Country&quot; to &quot;French-Speaking White Country&quot; freely does not make you a multicultural vista of widespread acceptance. That&#039;s why Europe has taken ACTUAL multiculturalism so badly - you&#039;ve convinced yourselves over the years that you&#039;re not homogenous because France and Italy are different countries with not-all-that-similar traditions, while at the same time restricting (if not eliminating) as much contact with non-White countries as possible.


Now that those tides are turning and you have to struggle to blend with cultures that truly are different, there&#039;s no end to European pundits crying &quot;multiculturalism has failed/isn&#039;t the answer&quot;. It&#039;s essentially the same as screaming &quot;I changed my mind! I take it back!&quot; the moment you go from the sandbox to the battlefield.


The reason for those enclaves isn&#039;t just because of a sense of safety and a way to bring &quot;the old country&quot; with you - it&#039;s also because many new immigrants feel it&#039;s the only place where practicing their traditions isn&#039;t taboo in some way. They&#039;re not constantly told to assimilate. On that note....


2) Any country that tries to globalize but refuses to accept any changes on their part &amp; instead orders everyone else to turn into them, is going to fail. Miserably. Globalization is just another word for integration - over time, both parties take on the color of the other &amp; change into something else completely. That&#039;s what makes multiculturalism such a slow &amp; painful process - most people&#039;s initial reaction once they realize this is fear, and they lash out at what they feel like is destroying all that they know. It&#039;s an exercise in futility (it&#039;s inevitably either integration or death, for all cultures) but they still try. If you manage to accept this, it eases the process.


America &amp; Canada had to learn this the hard way over the past century; if they want to, Japan can learn from our mistakes, but it will mean humbling themselves to accept that the traditional Japanese methods aren&#039;t perfect and will eventually hurt them more than anything else. To be completely honest, I&#039;m not sure they can. If they don&#039;t panic &amp; attempt to shut down their borders to non-Asians completely, then they&#039;ll end up repeating all our (recent) racial mistakes. Watts Riots 2.0, basically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) You lost credence with me the moment you held up the EU as multicultural. It&#8217;s not. Just because you can go from &#8220;German-Speaking White Country&#8221; to &#8220;French-Speaking White Country&#8221; freely does not make you a multicultural vista of widespread acceptance. That&#8217;s why Europe has taken ACTUAL multiculturalism so badly &#8211; you&#8217;ve convinced yourselves over the years that you&#8217;re not homogenous because France and Italy are different countries with not-all-that-similar traditions, while at the same time restricting (if not eliminating) as much contact with non-White countries as possible.</p>
<p>Now that those tides are turning and you have to struggle to blend with cultures that truly are different, there&#8217;s no end to European pundits crying &#8220;multiculturalism has failed/isn&#8217;t the answer&#8221;. It&#8217;s essentially the same as screaming &#8220;I changed my mind! I take it back!&#8221; the moment you go from the sandbox to the battlefield.</p>
<p>The reason for those enclaves isn&#8217;t just because of a sense of safety and a way to bring &#8220;the old country&#8221; with you &#8211; it&#8217;s also because many new immigrants feel it&#8217;s the only place where practicing their traditions isn&#8217;t taboo in some way. They&#8217;re not constantly told to assimilate. On that note&#8230;.</p>
<p>2) Any country that tries to globalize but refuses to accept any changes on their part &amp; instead orders everyone else to turn into them, is going to fail. Miserably. Globalization is just another word for integration &#8211; over time, both parties take on the color of the other &amp; change into something else completely. That&#8217;s what makes multiculturalism such a slow &amp; painful process &#8211; most people&#8217;s initial reaction once they realize this is fear, and they lash out at what they feel like is destroying all that they know. It&#8217;s an exercise in futility (it&#8217;s inevitably either integration or death, for all cultures) but they still try. If you manage to accept this, it eases the process.</p>
<p>America &amp; Canada had to learn this the hard way over the past century; if they want to, Japan can learn from our mistakes, but it will mean humbling themselves to accept that the traditional Japanese methods aren&#8217;t perfect and will eventually hurt them more than anything else. To be completely honest, I&#8217;m not sure they can. If they don&#8217;t panic &amp; attempt to shut down their borders to non-Asians completely, then they&#8217;ll end up repeating all our (recent) racial mistakes. Watts Riots 2.0, basically.</p>
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		<title>By: MisunderstoodShark</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cultural &#039;clumping&#039; is not a failure of multiculturalism. People move into these areas because they often know someone there or have friends there or relatives living there, little markets with familiar (kosher or halal) foods are there, or for special dietary reasons, or they want their child to also know their home language so they send them to the preschool there, or so they get connections for a job despite language barriers, etc. I would also like to remind Fogetti that no EU country without borders has been destroyed. The UK hasn&#039;t withered to Shariah law nor has the language changed to Polish nor has the whole of Bulgaria and Romania flooded into the UK since the restrictions lifted January 1st. I would also like to add that Fogetti used Chomsky&#039;s quote out of context. Chomsky was referring to Japan&#039;s political role on the international realm, urging Japan to be more independent and not be America&#039;s puppet so to speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cultural &#8216;clumping&#8217; is not a failure of multiculturalism. People move into these areas because they often know someone there or have friends there or relatives living there, little markets with familiar (kosher or halal) foods are there, or for special dietary reasons, or they want their child to also know their home language so they send them to the preschool there, or so they get connections for a job despite language barriers, etc. I would also like to remind Fogetti that no EU country without borders has been destroyed. The UK hasn&#8217;t withered to Shariah law nor has the language changed to Polish nor has the whole of Bulgaria and Romania flooded into the UK since the restrictions lifted January 1st. I would also like to add that Fogetti used Chomsky&#8217;s quote out of context. Chomsky was referring to Japan&#8217;s political role on the international realm, urging Japan to be more independent and not be America&#8217;s puppet so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: kooriyuki</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Being able to read and write papers in English does not automatically qualify someone to teach in it.&quot;&lt;--- I find myself nodding at this, because I know of Japanese university students (from medicine school no less) who tutor English at the juku, but can&#039;t speak a word of it. Heck, writing in English is a chore to them too. MEXT should recognise that learning how to speak in English is of a higher priority than comprehension/writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being able to read and write papers in English does not automatically qualify someone to teach in it.&#8221;&lt;&#8212; I find myself nodding at this, because I know of Japanese university students (from medicine school no less) who tutor English at the juku, but can&#039;t speak a word of it. Heck, writing in English is a chore to them too. MEXT should recognise that learning how to speak in English is of a higher priority than comprehension/writing.</p>
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		<title>By: japanesehamantashen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I don&#039;t entirely agree with Fogetti, he really does have a point that immigrants tend to live with other immigrants from the same place. I live in the D.C. region, one of the most welcoming places in the U.S. for immigrants. In fact, even my parents are immigrants from Israel, and many of my friends are also from immigrant families. Yet, somehow a huge percentage of Israelis that immigrate to this region settle in one zip code in Rockville (20852), attend the same public schools (e.g. Farmland Elementary), and even live in and around the same apartment building (I live several miles away, and I&#039;m not really a part of that community). There are similar communities for Russians, Chinese, Koreans, etc. in this area as well. Immigrants from the same region clump together regardless of how welcoming the country is, because it&#039;s simply just that much easier when you have people around you who share your language and culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t entirely agree with Fogetti, he really does have a point that immigrants tend to live with other immigrants from the same place. I live in the D.C. region, one of the most welcoming places in the U.S. for immigrants. In fact, even my parents are immigrants from Israel, and many of my friends are also from immigrant families. Yet, somehow a huge percentage of Israelis that immigrate to this region settle in one zip code in Rockville (20852), attend the same public schools (e.g. Farmland Elementary), and even live in and around the same apartment building (I live several miles away, and I&#8217;m not really a part of that community). There are similar communities for Russians, Chinese, Koreans, etc. in this area as well. Immigrants from the same region clump together regardless of how welcoming the country is, because it&#8217;s simply just that much easier when you have people around you who share your language and culture.</p>
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		<title>By: 川チャリ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[去年、来日した私もそう思います。今、JETプログラムで外国語指導者として働いております。そういう書かれた問題は本当に感じますね。どうしようかなと思うことが多いです。私の外国人の知り合いもそう思っているそうです。


日本はきっとゆっくり国際的な国になっていますが、ゆっくりというかのろのろと言った方が良いと思います。やはり、記事をもとにして、国際化が進んでいるにつれて他の問題も解決する必要が注目してきました。例えば、英語とか他の外国語（英語以外、他の言語はほとんどなさそうです）が学級にしてはあまり真面目にしていないようで、学生にも先生方にさえ今さらとか日本人だから出来ないまでと言われているのが多いのです。初めてそれを聞くと残念だと思いました。あと、日本の文化は一方では素敵ですし外国人からみると楽しいに違いありませんが、他方では時代遅れと言えます。でも、確か社会のような問題が時間がかかりますね。日本は正しい進路を見つけられろと感じますが。あれをいつかな？

「starduest」へ
JETのことですが、イメージがよくないっと思っていますか。27年過ごしましたね。実は私はそれが知りませんでした。でも、日本は当時は一から始まったのです。JET以外成功したプログラムもありますよ。JETは私にとって、草の根のような目的でそれとすれば成功だと思います。

「fogetti」へ
読んだらあなたの意見が本当に残念です。私達の世がそのうち結束する必要があるのです。日本も。あなたそう書かれたでしょう？「In other words there are always
losers and winners in these situations, and the aliens, the newcomers tend to
be the former not the latter. Also, don&#039;t we forget that people with the same
cultural background in a foreign/strange environment tend to build their own
closed neighbourhoods where they can live comfortably and they feel safe」
ます、ああいう安心が浅いんです。ああ風の考え方が恐れと憎悪の元だぞ。
日本ばかりでなく世界の国々も一体にしないといつも憎悪が勝つ。
つまり、お前の意見が違う！



もう書きません。
よろしくお願い致します。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>去年、来日した私もそう思います。今、JETプログラムで外国語指導者として働いております。そういう書かれた問題は本当に感じますね。どうしようかなと思うことが多いです。私の外国人の知り合いもそう思っているそうです。</p>
<p>日本はきっとゆっくり国際的な国になっていますが、ゆっくりというかのろのろと言った方が良いと思います。やはり、記事をもとにして、国際化が進んでいるにつれて他の問題も解決する必要が注目してきました。例えば、英語とか他の外国語（英語以外、他の言語はほとんどなさそうです）が学級にしてはあまり真面目にしていないようで、学生にも先生方にさえ今さらとか日本人だから出来ないまでと言われているのが多いのです。初めてそれを聞くと残念だと思いました。あと、日本の文化は一方では素敵ですし外国人からみると楽しいに違いありませんが、他方では時代遅れと言えます。でも、確か社会のような問題が時間がかかりますね。日本は正しい進路を見つけられろと感じますが。あれをいつかな？</p>
<p>「starduest」へ<br />
JETのことですが、イメージがよくないっと思っていますか。27年過ごしましたね。実は私はそれが知りませんでした。でも、日本は当時は一から始まったのです。JET以外成功したプログラムもありますよ。JETは私にとって、草の根のような目的でそれとすれば成功だと思います。</p>
<p>「fogetti」へ<br />
読んだらあなたの意見が本当に残念です。私達の世がそのうち結束する必要があるのです。日本も。あなたそう書かれたでしょう？「In other words there are always<br />
losers and winners in these situations, and the aliens, the newcomers tend to<br />
be the former not the latter. Also, don&#8217;t we forget that people with the same<br />
cultural background in a foreign/strange environment tend to build their own<br />
closed neighbourhoods where they can live comfortably and they feel safe」<br />
ます、ああいう安心が浅いんです。ああ風の考え方が恐れと憎悪の元だぞ。<br />
日本ばかりでなく世界の国々も一体にしないといつも憎悪が勝つ。<br />
つまり、お前の意見が違う！</p>
<p>もう書きません。<br />
よろしくお願い致します。</p>
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		<title>By: JapanSupreme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2014 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me clarify my second point: 

The bottom line is that Japanese people are only interested in INTERACTING  with foreigners (not &quot;seeing what foreigners think) if it somehow demonstrates the Japanese superiority. If it&#039;s sports, they only care if Japan wins. If it&#039;s movies, they only care if Japanese actors are showered with praise and awards.

If Japanese people are simply talking to foreigners (seeing what we think), they only want to do so if that foreigner gives unqualified praise of Japan. Again, this is talking about the political and media (esp. TV) elites. Common people love to study and learn foreign things - Japanese culture is DROWNING in foreign influence (Japan is not and never has been &quot;homogenous&quot; in any way shape or form, and the mere idea is deeply racist). In fact, most common people will open up some pretty harsh criticism of Japan if you ask them honestly.

But the elite? The people on TV? The public, and &quot;official&quot; narrative? They only want to interact with you if they can somehow use that interaction to prove their superiority as Japanese. That public narrative, the &quot;official&quot; story is what&#039;s holding Japan back. The deep racism at the upper echelons of the society, and the monopolistic stranglehold those elites have on the media and culture is what&#039;s holding Japan back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me clarify my second point: </p>
<p>The bottom line is that Japanese people are only interested in INTERACTING  with foreigners (not &#8220;seeing what foreigners think) if it somehow demonstrates the Japanese superiority. If it&#8217;s sports, they only care if Japan wins. If it&#8217;s movies, they only care if Japanese actors are showered with praise and awards.</p>
<p>If Japanese people are simply talking to foreigners (seeing what we think), they only want to do so if that foreigner gives unqualified praise of Japan. Again, this is talking about the political and media (esp. TV) elites. Common people love to study and learn foreign things &#8211; Japanese culture is DROWNING in foreign influence (Japan is not and never has been &#8220;homogenous&#8221; in any way shape or form, and the mere idea is deeply racist). In fact, most common people will open up some pretty harsh criticism of Japan if you ask them honestly.</p>
<p>But the elite? The people on TV? The public, and &#8220;official&#8221; narrative? They only want to interact with you if they can somehow use that interaction to prove their superiority as Japanese. That public narrative, the &#8220;official&#8221; story is what&#8217;s holding Japan back. The deep racism at the upper echelons of the society, and the monopolistic stranglehold those elites have on the media and culture is what&#8217;s holding Japan back.</p>
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