Stupid Women Are WonderFool in Japan?

馬鹿 (Baka) means stupid in Japanese and came from the Sanskrit word “baka” which means for “ignorance” and “illusion.” In Japan, the usage of “baka” started at the end of the Kamakura period (1185–1333). Nowadays we use Chinese characters for the word and the literal meaning of those kanji are 馬 (horse) and 鹿 (deer). It is said that those kanji are just used for their pronunciation, to match the sounds “ba” and “ka.” Actually, though, according to a book called 文明本説用集 (Bunmeibonsetsuyoushuu) written in the middle of the Muromachi period (1392–1573), the word “baka” was written a few different ways:

母娘 (Mother-Daughter)
馬娘 (Horse-Daughter)
破家 (Broken-House)

If asked, “Who do you like that is stupid”? I’d guess many of you would answer, “Nobody.” However, things are quite different in Japan. It’s really pathetic, but there is a famous phrase in Japan: “女は馬鹿な方がいい(おんなはばかなほうがいい/onnnawa bakana houga ii) and it means “Stupid women are better.” Sadly, you actually see this question online quite often:

“A stupid woman or a smart woman, which do you prefer?”

You don’t have to answer, don’t worry.

A Stupid Woman vs A Smart Woman

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On January 16, 2013, Goo’s Oshiete Watcher conducted several interviews to try to answer this question. Of course there are people that come down on either side of the fence, those who prefer smart women and those who prefer stupid women. The reasons for men who prefer stupid women were things like:

“I prefer stupid women because I’m scared of smart women”

“When I think of my personality, I’m actually stupid, so I prefer a woman to be similar to me”

The men who prefer smart women said things like:

“I prefer smart women. If she was smart, then I can be stupid. If I do something stupid in front of a stupid woman, it will develop into a fight”

“I definitely prefer a smart woman who can pretend as if she is stupid to encourage me”

“I prefer women who are smart enough to be stupid and make hengao (funny faces), but if she is actually stupid, she wouldn’t know when to be stupid and where not to be. Thus, I prefer smart women.”

But wait a minute! What do they mean by “pretending to be stupid”? Although they say they like smart women, doesn’t it also mean that they like a woman who is stupid anyways?

The Stupid Boom!

In fact, a category of Japanese TV people called “obaka-talent” (stupid-talent) or “obaka-Chara” (stupid-character) has even been created. Those women act childish and pretend to be dumb in order to appear “cute”. They usually show up on quiz shows or other comedy related trivia shows and are asked to answer questions really stupidly in order to be laughed at. This phenomenon was called the “Obaka-talent-boom” (Stupid-talent-boom) and they have been very popular since around 2007.

Because of this “stupid woman” demand, one Japanese woman, @ya, who married British guy and lives in the UK, was surprised to learn that guys in the UK don’t really like stupid women.

In the UK, men select women very carefully and much of it has to do with the woman’s capabilities. For example, a guy who cares about his career tends to choose a woman who is similar to him. There are many men who don’t choose women solely on their looks, but rather on the complete balance of looks, income and ability, with the latter two holding more weight. Of course, women choose men very selectively, too. Women who are popular choices for many men are often very social and competent at their work. It would also be a big bonus to be both physically and mentally healthy. Conversely, women who tend to just smile and do not have any opinions are called “plain” and are not very popular. You’d be invincible in either scenario if you were a beautiful blonde with a gorgeous body, though.

A Japanese Male Doctor’s Perspective

So, do Japanese men seriously think that women should be stupid? As a woman, I’m personally against the idea and feel compelled to say that men must not think that way, even if it is just one facet of sexual attraction. I don’t understand why this is even a phrase, but I came across blogs written by a plastic surgeon, and in his blog he writes about why men say “stupid women are better” and why he himself actually often says “stupid women are cuter.”

He begins his blog by saying that he doesn’t believe that the abilities of women are of a lesser value than men’s and that he doesn’t look down on women in the slightest. He then continues on to the purpose of writing the blog and does so from his doctor’s perspective.

In Japan, the family roles for men and women are still obviously different: men work to feed their family and women take care of the house. The Japanese work system is actually created for men while the framework for women to continue working while raising a family is not yet provided. In countries like America, where people can “out-source” house workers from different countries, women who have higher education and income also have a higher marriage rate. However, in Japan, even though women graduate from elite universities and start working for very reputable companies, there won’t be a position to return to, nor would they be able to resume their careers at the same level if they quit their jobs following marriage or give birth. Thus, if a woman winds up being a housewife despite her efforts, people conclude that being a stupid, yet cute, woman is better than being a smart woman. I’m pretty sure that if the system was altered, smart women would be more popular among men than stupid women because it’s already happening in the world of medical practice. We earn enough income to hire domestic workers, so wives don’t need to become a housewife and simply continue working. So, male doctors tend to marry female doctors or other such smart women of respectable professions, rather than choosing to marry a stupid women who is also cute.

I think he explains himself very well, thought I’m still not convinced. Let’s look a little deeper into what he’s saying, though.

Job Environment

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Photo by Sean H

Although many companies have been trying to change, there are still companies whose system is not good for working women. I worked for the biggest stock and investment exchange company in Japan and held a position that required me to work wherever the company ask me to. There are local positions, but in order to get a higher position, such as a branch manager or area manger, you have to hold a position in which being transferred is possible. I know many Japanese companies have a similar system and the IT company I worked for did this too. Anyways, my point is that it is so tough for women to continue working in the same career after starting a family if the system is like that.

I had a married female superior, who had the same position as I did when she got pregnant. Shortly after finding out that she was pregnant, the company ordered her to transfer from Kyoto to Tokyo, even though she and her husband lived in Osaka. So, until she went on maternity leave, she had to work in Tokyo, thus living separately from her husband. After her maternity leave finished, she had to move back to Tokyo with her baby but without her husband, all too keep her career. Transferring can be quite cruel, but from a company’s perspective it’s fair and equal because that’s how men work in the company. So, I agree that to continue working after marriage or giving birth can be very tough for women.

So, does this mean the reason for the phrase “Stupid Women Are Better” is because Japanese society has generally accepted that work environments are not yet fully developed to accommodate women? So is the solution then to continuously fight for women’s rights, including that of providing some allowances for returning to work after giving birth, and slowly progressing towards a better society for women, one in which they can work wherever and whenever they want? Well, it might surprise you to learn that this may not be what many Japanese women desire.

Japanese Wife = Housewife?

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According to an official survey conducted by Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, which quizzed over 3,000 people aged 15-39 in March, 2013, 19.3% of Japanese men still prefer the woman they are with to become a housewife after getting married. I believe that the above mentioned work environment is one of the reasons why men want to keep their wives in house, otherwise there’s the possibility of not seeing her very often. You know, many Japanese men’s priority is work, but if a women pursues their careers, it means they have to make work a priority as well.

Surprisingly, it’s not every man’s ideal and a great many women also think this way. According to the same research, 1 in 3 single women in Japan want to be a full-time housewife, despite the growing demand for their participation in the male-dominated Japanese workforce.

I hope you noticed something interesting here. From that survey, more women wanted to become housewives than men who wanted their wives to become housewives. That means women want to be housewives on their own, much of the time. Why is that?

The Reasons Why Women Want To Be Housewives

So, why do women want to be housewives? According to another research study conducted by U-Can and I-Share where over 1,243 women were quizzed from July 16-20, 2010, 53.9% of women said they wanted to be a housewife.

55.2% of them said it was “because I want to attend to housework and raising children.”

25.5% said they wanted to focus on their hobbies.

15% said it was because they don’t like working.

Even though the women feel this way, 68% of women who wanted to become a housewife said that it’s difficult to become a housewife nowadays because of their family’s financial responsibilities. In fact, there are more and more wives who unwillingly continue to work because they need the money. 85% of them answered that they would find a job if their husband asked them to (because there is no other option) and 42.7% said they would choose a part time job (an arubaito) so that they could have some flexibility with their time and location and therefore be able to stay closer to home. Sort of the best(ish) of both worlds.

It’s A Stereotype, But Still Alive

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Photo by Notely

So, regardless of whether they have to continue working or not, being a housewife and wanting your wife to be a housewife is often a mutual desire of both Japanese men and women. Therefore, when a Japanese person dates someone from another country, there can be some differences in thought. Take the following Japanese man’s comments, for example.

My girlfriend is Irish-Scottish. I’ve lived with her for half a year now and I don’t find many differences between her and Japanese girls. If there was one thing that I would highlight, it would be that she may have different ideas about work than a Japanese girl. She says she doesn’t understand having to quit her job just because she gets married. (source: 彼氏彼女が外国人)

Now, if the work environment is not the only reason, was it just men’s preference after all, then? According to Rocket News24′s The top 10 things foreign women hate about Japanese men, “Acting like they are better than women” was ranked number 8. Sometimes it’s fun to be a little stupid at parties or other such events, but it’s not fun at all to be called “stupid” all the time.

As for me, I’m not sure if I am smart because I do and say a lot of stupid stuff, but I don’t ever want to pretend as if I am stupid for the sake of men. If I am stupid or do stupid things, I want it to be for good reasons, like making my friends laugh – with me, not at me.

Actually, writing about this topic reminded me of my ex-boyfriend who didn’t like me giving him any advice. For example, when he complained about his superior, he just wanted me to smile and be sympathetic. At the time, we were both working for the same company, so I told him what I thought after he told me his complaint and it turned out to be the end of our relationship. He told me that an opinionated girl was not his type, so I guess he was one of those guys that like “obaka-character” girls. I considered his way of thinking to be rather appropriate for this article, STUPID! へへへへ。

  • Mami

    My email address is ‘mami@tofugu.com’. I’m not sure how long it will take me to finish your book but of course I’d like to read it! Thank you(^^)/

  • Andy Cora

    You dont seem to be stupid at all, at contrary so smart ;). Im from latin america and here we like smart women too! Here its said ‘stupid girl for 1 day, smart ones for ever’ keep with your reports awesome!

  • Mami

    Wow, it’s funny that there is such a phrase in Italy. In Japan, there is also a quote like ‘beautiful women is for three days, good personality women for ever’. It’s a little similar? :P

  • Aiko

    Thanks anyway for clarifying at least a bit of it! ^_^
    I think I got it, but must say it’s very interesting!
    Keep up with writing these articles, I really enjoy (as well as the others here) reading them!

    Cheers,
    Aiko

  • Andy Cora

    Haha yeah its the same thought. Anyway maybe smart people will look for smart ones and 馬鹿 will search 馬鹿 lol

  • Mami

    Okay. Thank you for good idea! (^^)/

  • Mami

    Aha, it’s interesting that there is such a quote in Italy! there is a similar quote in Japan which is ‘a beautiful woman for three days but a woman with good personality for ever’…a little different though.

  • Mami

    Oh, I posted the almost same comments twice. Sorry about that! ∵ゞ(>д<)

  • Cory

    Another great article, very interesting. Wish everyone in every society good be equal no matter what. It’s not polite to call anyone stupid. You can call yourself stupid but never another person.

  • Mami

    Thank you! I really like ‘You can call yourself stupid but never another person’. It’s really true!!

  • Mami

    Oh, I’ve just realized that you wrote Latin america! I read it Latin=Italy and skipped America part for some reason! I’m so sorry. I definitely belong to the ‘stupid’ categoly. lol

  • Ri

    Yes, taking time off is very difficult. Whether it’s for holidays, or because you’re ill there’s a stigma attached to anyone letting the team down. My friend’s company has 2-3 women who have families and are not required to do overtime. They leave at 5:30pm sharp every day, but the backtalk they receive probably makes it tough for them. Also, one had a very difficult pregnancy and often had to go to hospital due to complications. Thankfully she and her child are fine, but apparently the work environment was very strained when she was having the issues. Many of the complaints arose from other female coworkers, and there were some who were pushing to have her leave. While it would have been illegal to fire her under the circumstances, apparently it’s not uncommon to make it difficult enough for the person “causing problems” to leave.

  • Mami

    oops *cute

  • Mami

    Oh, is this a Japanese company or a company in your country? Sounds so similar to Japanese company. If it’s not a Japanese company, that means just this problem is common all over the world eh? The sad part is the other women workers become mean to them though. I think at least the same gender workers should understand the situation:(

  • Andy Cora

    Haha nooo I know you are not in that category, just you maight be busy so you read wrong ;)

  • Mami

    Haha, thank you Andy. You are very nice!

  • Mami

    I’m sharing a great youtube video from tofugu’s fb page (posted by James Darkly).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnNdrmAFNeo&feature=youtu.be

  • Jamie

    This is a good article; I like how it tries to presents both sides with as little bias as possible.

    I’m a foreigner married to a Japanese guy. Sometimes he would call me “aho” (“stupid”) or say something I did was stupid. If I did something funny and he said it affectionately, I didn’t mind. However if it wasn’t said with any affection, I didn’t like it. He said he didn’t consider it would hurt my feelings because his male friends and co-workers often say this to each other. But I pointed out in light of Japan’s sexism issues that I couldn’t feel it was okay or normal, because in Japan men are on the same level but women are not. Even if outside of our house the balance between men and women is uneven, we should respect each other as equals because in my experience marriage works better that way.

    Now he doesn’t usually say it unless it’s in a joking manner. I think the concept for equality is difficult for many Japanese men. I think they believe since men are on top that their pride is often at stake if a woman is smarter than them- if not personally, than from pressure from society. So even if men like smart women, they often want them to act dumb in order to soothe their own egos or not “loose face” from their other male peers. I don’t think this problem only exists in Japan, though.

    Personally I think men should lose that pride because it is pride unfairly earned by inequality. I always find it ironic that a man may treat his wife unequally, but be offended if another man treats his daughter unequally.

  • Heidi

    Gender equality should not be homogeneity.
    If women have ability, by all means promote them in business world. But surveys which compare the percentage of female executives in business to conclude the status of women’s position in a society are nonsense.
    In so many so called developed countries, “home” has been forgotten which is the basic unit to maintain the tradition and culture. In those countries, you see so many youngsters with appalling public manners, language, respect to others.
    I admire Japanese who know the balance of dividing works and spread people who specialize in every corner of society.
    By the way, I learned the Japanese word for housewife many years ago – “Shufu”. Unlike “house(-bound-)wife, it means “Lady(female) master”, who controls all domestic issues (traditionally). There I give them another point.
    Economic-activities-only cannot keep the society in healthy state.

  • Mami no Gakysei

    What do you mean by homogeneity? Promotion based on ability and regardless of the gender is gender equality. Surveys are not to be trusted much especially if they are done by people not trained in research methods. :]
    Now your second paragraph is a bit of generalisation. How many of those developed countries have you lived in? No one is saying that women shouldn’t be housewives. What we are saying is that they should have the choice to become housewives or get a career. It is about erasing sexism is promoting freedom for anyone regardless of gender.

  • Mami no Gakusei

    Gonna play the devil’s advocate. Japanese men work A LOT. They often have no time to see their kids. It is no wonder that they don’t help at home because they spend most of their time at work. It would help if Japanese men got less hours, they could spend more time at home with their kids and more chance to help at home. :]

  • Mami no Gakusei
  • xperroni

    As a man, I find it rather sad that some fellows need someone “stupid” around them to feed their sense of self-worth. I am married and I’m always happy to help my wife when she needs a hand. But I’m just as pleased when she can manage on her own, and I’m certain she feels the same.

  • Ai

    I love reading Mami’s articles, they are always very interesting. Keep up the good work!

    My japanese teacher once told us 馬鹿 is written with the characters “horse” and “deer” because if one cannot distinguish a horse from a deer, that person is stupid.

  • Mami

    Wow, it makes sense too. So, Akita prefecture is pretty country side, so they have more time to help at home…make sense but how can we get out of this paradox…I mean, Japanese people. Men work a lot to earn money to feed their child…what about wives go to work to contribute to the family finance? and men work less and contribute to house works…?? No, it’s impossible because men can’t decrease their working amount…they if wives go to work, who raise kids and who do housework?? I think this is a desperate paradox…

  • Mami

    kawaii❤

  • Mami

    Thank you! As for 馬鹿, I’d thought so too until researching for this article:0

  • Mami

    Yeah, I agree(^^)/

  • Mami

    Wow, it’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing your experience.

    Since you brought up the word ‘aho’ instead of ‘baka’, I assume your husband is from West side of Japan? Yeah, like you say, people use ‘aho’ without paying attention in that area. Usually with affection, like you said. Yet, if it’s not affection, it’s pretty harsh word, isn’t it? To be honest, I was born in Osaka and grew up in Nara and my parents are both from Osaka, so I’m used to be said ‘aho’ such as ‘Anta honma aho yana!’ or ‘Aho chaun’. Even though it’s doesn’t seem to consist of affection, it is implied most of the time. It’s tough to tell and because of that, it’s often considered that the way of Kansai people talk is scary by other area’s people. Sorry, I lost the train of thought…haha. Your comment reminded me where I grew up and the culture around the area, and just wanted to talk about that. haha
    I definitely agree “we should respect each other as equals because in my experience marriage works better that way”.

  • Time

    I like smart women because I am too stupid to understand basic things. Also I think that being a housewife is a good thing (You don’t HAVE to be. If you want you can work three jobs full time.) because then you have more influence on your children.

  • Andrew Haddow

    Interesting Mami….I think that a “fair” society doesn’t just treat everyone the same…but recognizes the playing field isn’t always level for everyone, and women need to be better accommodated for during maternity time. Canada is okay buy could be better!!

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  • Mami

    Wow, another comment about the spell caster…

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment. Yeah, I agree that you have more influence on your children especially when you are very little. What about after they start going school?:)

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment! I really like your quote ‘a fair society doesn’t just treat everyone the same’.
    I know a girl was fired right after her boss finding out her pregnancy in Canada, too though. Is it maybe rare? She was a cook or a waitress, I think.

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment. Yeah, that’s a good point, but I think working parents could also take care of their children as long as they commit themselves to do so. And if their mother, who has never worked before, raised their children, the children could lack some social manner in business world as well.
    I agree that it’s not good that parents are too busy to take care of children, but I think it’s more important that both parents contribute to raising their own children and attend to domestic issues together.

  • Mami

    Yes, they should have the choice! And I think it’s important for both parents to attend housework and their kids together because they are all family! (^v^)

  • Ryan

    “BS” is an abbreviation for “bullshit” (pardon my foul language).

  • Andrew Haddow

    I believe that might even be illegal in Canada…wow! Unless she was within the first three months of getting hired, then maybe.
    But that is very rare in Ontario.

  • Mami

    I see. I’m not sure how long she had worked there before, but I don’t think that it was within the first three months. :(

  • Mami

    Oh, I see. haha Thank you for letting me know that (^^)/

  • Saimu-san

    I wouldn’t say that the woman describing the same thing not happening the UK is 100% correct.

    We, too have our celebrity talents that are well renowned for either being or acting stupid both male and female. Most if not all of which are or were regular, everyday people that became famous for their lack of knowledge through reality TV.

    One of the most famous and tragic examples was that of Jade Goody but there have been many others since due to more reality shows with similar people in them which I’m sure are brought on deliberately because of how much the public love or love to hate them for their “stupidity”.

    In day to day life it’s actually gender-flipped compared to Japan. It’s considered cute by women for a man to not be well educated and get easily confused almost like a child. There’s not one concrete reason why and every individual is different (I don’t feel that way), but it’s something I’ve heard and seen amongst my peers.

    There are still those that prefer men that are smarter or just as intelligent as they are (my mum likes Brian Cox and Ben Fogel and married my tech addict computer whizz of a dad but there’s a lot of things she can do that he can’t so they’re pretty much equal to each other) but it seems more and more British women are looking for a man with a personality like Joey Essex. He didn’t know what country Wales shares a border with (it took him 3 times to answer the same question correctly after returning to the same show and being asked again each time), thought Richard and Judy were the first man and woman and that they created the world.

    There’s also Brian Belo. He once said that he heard the moon was bigger than the universe despite not knowing what the universe was and thought Shakespeare wrote “Babe: Pig in the City” because it was his favourite movie.

  • Mami no Gakusei
  • Tokyo

    It really depends on the family the “couple” My Fiancee mother(Japanese) worked and was a Housewife, and she was happy and turned out fine. And my Mother(Australian) didn’t work after their third child. And I was happy and am now. It really just depends on what each partner in the relationship.

    Both ways are fine, (imo) depends if both people are happy with the arrangement, because it might show to the child they are bringing up. Having a happy family no matter who stays home or who works is the most or if both do, is the important part I think.

    I have meet a lot of Japanese girls, who want to be housewife, If their Husband is happy working, then I think its fine. But yea its important to have the “opportunity” for Women. But I think it can be hard to “change” or to “created” the same opportunity. If a lot of women seem to be happy with the arrangement of being a housewife.

  • mayucchi

    …just for the record, I made that for Mami. :P

  • Tokyo

    As Women might have no other option, the same would apply to men in Japan. Men have no other option but to work.. I don’t think there is any ‘winner’ In Japan its just the system. Which I don’t think is that bad. Apart from Long work hours for Men And the system that can force women out of work, when they have Children, or have a harder time finding work.

    Though would you feel bad to only not want to work, for “the main reason” to have more time for your hobbies or In one word ‘yourself’ As the Guy “might” be working for “both of you” Perhaps not because he loves it. And might have Hobbies as well, that he would of liked to follow. But For men to be a stay at home Husband is rare.. they would have to forgot about one thing they would love to do.

    I guess it might depend, on the other person, as if both people are following what they want, and end up togetheras a happy family than it can only be a good thing.

  • Jonathan Harston

    When I was married if we hadn’t both been working and binging in an income, we’d have been bankrupt.

  • Mami

    Yes❤ I love this! Thank you Mayucchi!!! (^^)/

  • Fetishe de la Haberdasher

    “He said he didn’t consider it would hurt my feelings because his male friends and co-workers often say this to each other. But I pointed out in light of Japan’s sexism issues that I couldn’t feel it was okay or normal, because in Japan men are on the same level but women are not.”

    And there we have it. Being treated the same as men isn’t good enough. We demand BETTER treatment than them. Y’know, for equality.

  • Fetishe de la Haberdasher

    I demand better treatment than you. For equality.