Stupid Women Are WonderFool in Japan?

馬鹿 (Baka) means stupid in Japanese and came from the Sanskrit word “baka” which means for “ignorance” and “illusion.” In Japan, the usage of “baka” started at the end of the Kamakura period (1185–1333). Nowadays we use Chinese characters for the word and the literal meaning of those kanji are 馬 (horse) and 鹿 (deer). It is said that those kanji are just used for their pronunciation, to match the sounds “ba” and “ka.” Actually, though, according to a book called 文明本説用集 (Bunmeibonsetsuyoushuu) written in the middle of the Muromachi period (1392–1573), the word “baka” was written a few different ways:

母娘 (Mother-Daughter)
馬娘 (Horse-Daughter)
破家 (Broken-House)

If asked, “Who do you like that is stupid”? I’d guess many of you would answer, “Nobody.” However, things are quite different in Japan. It’s really pathetic, but there is a famous phrase in Japan: “女は馬鹿な方がいい(おんなはばかなほうがいい/onnnawa bakana houga ii) and it means “Stupid women are better.” Sadly, you actually see this question online quite often:

“A stupid woman or a smart woman, which do you prefer?”

You don’t have to answer, don’t worry.

A Stupid Woman vs A Smart Woman

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On January 16, 2013, Goo’s Oshiete Watcher conducted several interviews to try to answer this question. Of course there are people that come down on either side of the fence, those who prefer smart women and those who prefer stupid women. The reasons for men who prefer stupid women were things like:

“I prefer stupid women because I’m scared of smart women”

“When I think of my personality, I’m actually stupid, so I prefer a woman to be similar to me”

The men who prefer smart women said things like:

“I prefer smart women. If she was smart, then I can be stupid. If I do something stupid in front of a stupid woman, it will develop into a fight”

“I definitely prefer a smart woman who can pretend as if she is stupid to encourage me”

“I prefer women who are smart enough to be stupid and make hengao (funny faces), but if she is actually stupid, she wouldn’t know when to be stupid and where not to be. Thus, I prefer smart women.”

But wait a minute! What do they mean by “pretending to be stupid”? Although they say they like smart women, doesn’t it also mean that they like a woman who is stupid anyways?

The Stupid Boom!

In fact, a category of Japanese TV people called “obaka-talent” (stupid-talent) or “obaka-Chara” (stupid-character) has even been created. Those women act childish and pretend to be dumb in order to appear “cute”. They usually show up on quiz shows or other comedy related trivia shows and are asked to answer questions really stupidly in order to be laughed at. This phenomenon was called the “Obaka-talent-boom” (Stupid-talent-boom) and they have been very popular since around 2007.

Because of this “stupid woman” demand, one Japanese woman, @ya, who married British guy and lives in the UK, was surprised to learn that guys in the UK don’t really like stupid women.

In the UK, men select women very carefully and much of it has to do with the woman’s capabilities. For example, a guy who cares about his career tends to choose a woman who is similar to him. There are many men who don’t choose women solely on their looks, but rather on the complete balance of looks, income and ability, with the latter two holding more weight. Of course, women choose men very selectively, too. Women who are popular choices for many men are often very social and competent at their work. It would also be a big bonus to be both physically and mentally healthy. Conversely, women who tend to just smile and do not have any opinions are called “plain” and are not very popular. You’d be invincible in either scenario if you were a beautiful blonde with a gorgeous body, though.

A Japanese Male Doctor’s Perspective

So, do Japanese men seriously think that women should be stupid? As a woman, I’m personally against the idea and feel compelled to say that men must not think that way, even if it is just one facet of sexual attraction. I don’t understand why this is even a phrase, but I came across blogs written by a plastic surgeon, and in his blog he writes about why men say “stupid women are better” and why he himself actually often says “stupid women are cuter.”

He begins his blog by saying that he doesn’t believe that the abilities of women are of a lesser value than men’s and that he doesn’t look down on women in the slightest. He then continues on to the purpose of writing the blog and does so from his doctor’s perspective.

In Japan, the family roles for men and women are still obviously different: men work to feed their family and women take care of the house. The Japanese work system is actually created for men while the framework for women to continue working while raising a family is not yet provided. In countries like America, where people can “out-source” house workers from different countries, women who have higher education and income also have a higher marriage rate. However, in Japan, even though women graduate from elite universities and start working for very reputable companies, there won’t be a position to return to, nor would they be able to resume their careers at the same level if they quit their jobs following marriage or give birth. Thus, if a woman winds up being a housewife despite her efforts, people conclude that being a stupid, yet cute, woman is better than being a smart woman. I’m pretty sure that if the system was altered, smart women would be more popular among men than stupid women because it’s already happening in the world of medical practice. We earn enough income to hire domestic workers, so wives don’t need to become a housewife and simply continue working. So, male doctors tend to marry female doctors or other such smart women of respectable professions, rather than choosing to marry a stupid women who is also cute.

I think he explains himself very well, thought I’m still not convinced. Let’s look a little deeper into what he’s saying, though.

Job Environment

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Photo by Sean H

Although many companies have been trying to change, there are still companies whose system is not good for working women. I worked for the biggest stock and investment exchange company in Japan and held a position that required me to work wherever the company ask me to. There are local positions, but in order to get a higher position, such as a branch manager or area manger, you have to hold a position in which being transferred is possible. I know many Japanese companies have a similar system and the IT company I worked for did this too. Anyways, my point is that it is so tough for women to continue working in the same career after starting a family if the system is like that.

I had a married female superior, who had the same position as I did when she got pregnant. Shortly after finding out that she was pregnant, the company ordered her to transfer from Kyoto to Tokyo, even though she and her husband lived in Osaka. So, until she went on maternity leave, she had to work in Tokyo, thus living separately from her husband. After her maternity leave finished, she had to move back to Tokyo with her baby but without her husband, all too keep her career. Transferring can be quite cruel, but from a company’s perspective it’s fair and equal because that’s how men work in the company. So, I agree that to continue working after marriage or giving birth can be very tough for women.

So, does this mean the reason for the phrase “Stupid Women Are Better” is because Japanese society has generally accepted that work environments are not yet fully developed to accommodate women? So is the solution then to continuously fight for women’s rights, including that of providing some allowances for returning to work after giving birth, and slowly progressing towards a better society for women, one in which they can work wherever and whenever they want? Well, it might surprise you to learn that this may not be what many Japanese women desire.

Japanese Wife = Housewife?

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According to an official survey conducted by Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, which quizzed over 3,000 people aged 15-39 in March, 2013, 19.3% of Japanese men still prefer the woman they are with to become a housewife after getting married. I believe that the above mentioned work environment is one of the reasons why men want to keep their wives in house, otherwise there’s the possibility of not seeing her very often. You know, many Japanese men’s priority is work, but if a women pursues their careers, it means they have to make work a priority as well.

Surprisingly, it’s not every man’s ideal and a great many women also think this way. According to the same research, 1 in 3 single women in Japan want to be a full-time housewife, despite the growing demand for their participation in the male-dominated Japanese workforce.

I hope you noticed something interesting here. From that survey, more women wanted to become housewives than men who wanted their wives to become housewives. That means women want to be housewives on their own, much of the time. Why is that?

The Reasons Why Women Want To Be Housewives

So, why do women want to be housewives? According to another research study conducted by U-Can and I-Share where over 1,243 women were quizzed from July 16-20, 2010, 53.9% of women said they wanted to be a housewife.

55.2% of them said it was “because I want to attend to housework and raising children.”

25.5% said they wanted to focus on their hobbies.

15% said it was because they don’t like working.

Even though the women feel this way, 68% of women who wanted to become a housewife said that it’s difficult to become a housewife nowadays because of their family’s financial responsibilities. In fact, there are more and more wives who unwillingly continue to work because they need the money. 85% of them answered that they would find a job if their husband asked them to (because there is no other option) and 42.7% said they would choose a part time job (an arubaito) so that they could have some flexibility with their time and location and therefore be able to stay closer to home. Sort of the best(ish) of both worlds.

It’s A Stereotype, But Still Alive

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Photo by Notely

So, regardless of whether they have to continue working or not, being a housewife and wanting your wife to be a housewife is often a mutual desire of both Japanese men and women. Therefore, when a Japanese person dates someone from another country, there can be some differences in thought. Take the following Japanese man’s comments, for example.

My girlfriend is Irish-Scottish. I’ve lived with her for half a year now and I don’t find many differences between her and Japanese girls. If there was one thing that I would highlight, it would be that she may have different ideas about work than a Japanese girl. She says she doesn’t understand having to quit her job just because she gets married. (source: 彼氏彼女が外国人)

Now, if the work environment is not the only reason, was it just men’s preference after all, then? According to Rocket News24′s The top 10 things foreign women hate about Japanese men, “Acting like they are better than women” was ranked number 8. Sometimes it’s fun to be a little stupid at parties or other such events, but it’s not fun at all to be called “stupid” all the time.

As for me, I’m not sure if I am smart because I do and say a lot of stupid stuff, but I don’t ever want to pretend as if I am stupid for the sake of men. If I am stupid or do stupid things, I want it to be for good reasons, like making my friends laugh – with me, not at me.

Actually, writing about this topic reminded me of my ex-boyfriend who didn’t like me giving him any advice. For example, when he complained about his superior, he just wanted me to smile and be sympathetic. At the time, we were both working for the same company, so I told him what I thought after he told me his complaint and it turned out to be the end of our relationship. He told me that an opinionated girl was not his type, so I guess he was one of those guys that like “obaka-character” girls. I considered his way of thinking to be rather appropriate for this article, STUPID! へへへへ。

  • Christopher takenaka

    Hi my name is Christopher Takenaka I am married to a Japanese women the only thing I got to say is smart or baka just be happy and thank full

  • http://www.spelmobilesoftware.com/ Drew Harris

    Wow, this was a really well done article!

  • Mami no Gakusei

    You can’t really argue with sexism. Passive attitude, submissive, husband-abiding, etc. It makes sense for a sexist person to include stupidity in the list of favourite traits in a woman.
    Let those who hail stupidity in a woman fill a sexism questionnaire, let me predict the results: those that hailed stupidity as a essentially feminine trait or a sexually attractive/romantic trait in a woman, were most likely to hold sexist views.

  • Ginger

    I think there is nothing wrong with being a housewife if that is what one truly wants. I have a problem with it being the only option. I think more companies in Japan should open their policies and work culture for mothers and married women.

  • ?

    Interesting article; thanks for it! As an aside, though, I don’t think referencing that Rocket News24 poll did any favours (quite the opposite, actually; it’s pretty offensive and poorly surveyed).

  • Momo

    Doesn’t matter a clever wife or a stupid wife. A wife that makes me happy is a good wife.

    And I’d totally dig that wife in the last picture.

  • KaoriCamellia

    Great subject to write about! It’s a visible discrepancy in Japanese society, in my opinion, this ‘work disparity’ (I hesitate to use the word ‘inequality’) in Japan. I think that it’s a culturally-inherited trait that we put emphasis on the family and the home, which obviously often comes at the expense of a woman pursuing a rewarding career. Like you said, the work environment has not caught up to the 1st World ideal of a supportive work situation where women can return from maternity duties once life has stabilized again. I mention this briefly in the novel I’m finishing up, that one woman was only able to return to work at her company in Osaka because she wielded significant executive leverage in the firm, otherwise she would have been faced with the same predicament. Careers are still a ‘privilege’ for women in Japan, one which is seen–I can report at least by way of anecdote from the women I know who happen to be working in Japan–as entirely secondary to providing that idealized home life.

    I think it’s in this realm that we see some of the biggest social disparities between the West and Japan. The individualism and social revolutions in the west in the 1960s-70s which led to the rise of Feminism simply did not carry over meaningfully in Japan. It might not even be exclusively a women’s issue either. Looked at from a different perspective, would people see such a value in having a steadfast ‘not-smart’ (I refuse to say ‘stupid wife’) housewife at home if the work culture that results in ‘death by overwork’ did not exist, or was lessened? Perhaps not. I think many people give simple answers to the question about their preferences in women because it avoids the difficult, critical questions that need to be asked about what might no longer be functioning for Japanese society. Like a lot of problems, it’s easier to say ‘it can’t be helped’.

  • Mona

    Excuse me, but doesn’t 鹿 mean “deer”? No matter how I read, I see “dear”. It’s probably just a small typo but here one letter makes a difference.

    I’ve never quite understood the stupid=cute TV shows. Once I watched a compilation of Momusu’s “dumb moments” and I just couldn’t believe they wouldn’t know how to write numbers 1 to 10 in English or say whether Paris was a state or a city. If they’re faking it for the sake of appearing cute…that’s sad :-(

  • Mauro

    Another interesting article Mami San ! :D
    I like these articles about Japanese society issues.

    And speaking about your ex boyfriend…. 本当に馬鹿な男の子みたいなんですね! 笑

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    I’d like to say it was meant to be a clever pun, but alas, it was not. Thank you, all fixed!

  • Aiko

    Nice article, but there was one thing I’d like to ask/add/suggest.
    Before even starting, I have to “distance” myself as I don’t know how it works in Japan, though I know for my country and I am one of the examples myself (I am of Serbian origin and will explain below the situation).

    Let me first ask this:
    1. What happens after the divorce where a husband leaves house?
    2. Automatically linked to that, another question that arises is – Are divorced men, now living on their own, paying monthly for their children?
    3. And finally, a divorced woman (with or without kids) who has been so far a housewife is supposed to financially support herself (and kids if she has them) HOW?

    Again, I have to distance myself, because I am not acquainted with laws related to this topic in Japan, but I would suggest another article linked to this one with an explanation. Following this possible future article, it would be interesting to draw some new conclusions about women being smart, stupid, housewives or whatever we can draw from that. Maybe even doing a survey? To be discussed.

    Here is the situation in my country (Serbia)… I practically don’t know any woman who wants to be a housewife. A divorce rate is huge, often resulting a woman being left by her husband with kids (possibly). There is a law that “should” protect a woman and there is also the law obliging a man to pay a monthly alimony for his kids. However, no one respects this, so practically, let’s say, a law protecting a woman doesn’t exist.

    My parents got divorced when I was 15. I stayed with my mother and my younger sister. My father never payed alimony and the three of us were living of my mother’s salary (very poor one, believe me). I wonder what my life would have looked like if she was a housewife… It was hard even this way, but I wonder after reading this article how would it really be like?
    Unfortunately, taught by my mother’s (and my own) experience, I swore to myself that there is no man who can make me or even ask me to consider leaving my job for the sake of our marriage and children. My job and only my job! Sounds awful, and I am often disgust by myself this when I say it. But the truth is I can’t help it… It changed my way of thinking on men, marriage and the importance of my carrier. I would never want my children to feel the way I felt.

    So, with hope this will evolve into some future discussion and possible articles/surveys, I wish you all good day/night!

    Aiko

  • doto

    true.

  • https://twitter.com/RochelleBreen Rochelle

    The doctor’s words reminded me of a line in Jane Austen’s “Emma”. Mr. Knightly says, “Men of sense… do not want silly wives.” Very insightful post!

  • Rapixxx

    I am a Eastern European girl and to be honest I kinda envy the fact that Japanese women can become housewives. Where I am from you have to happen on a really really well-paid guy in order to become housewife and that’s a really really rare chance. But if he’s well-payed he’s probably smart. Now I don’t believe any smart guy would go for a girl who only stays at home, unless he’s overly possessive or has some other complex.

    The reason why I kinda like the idea of being a housewife is actually mentioned above, but it’s a bit more complicated. Yes, the main reason is because I’ll have time for my hobbies. Right now I’m at university and I study Japanese as a hobby. Although I say hobby I’m pretty serious about Japanese and I’m even prioritizing it over my university studies sometimes so the two of them actually take up almost all of my time. The problem is I have two other hobbies that Iove but recently I can’t get to do them at all. I always dream of days when I’ll have the time. And if there’s a family in the picture it will become impossible. Now that’s one of the reasons.

    The second reason is I’d love to raise my children. I think that intelligent women are the best at raising children. Unfortunately with system set up like this it’s virtually impossible. If you are smart you’ll work, you’ll make money so that your children would be well provided for in the future. But someone else will raise them and you’ll be away 90% of the time so you won’t be part of the process. And the care may be good but it may not be the best.

    Well, that being said I’m actually kinda ambitious, so if I find my work interesting and rewarding I’d probably leave this kind of reasoning behind me and go down the career path. Like it was said by Ginger below in the comments – the sad thing in Japan’s system is that women are practically left with no other option but to become housewives. But looking from where I stand it looks like it’s the same in my country, the only difference being – we have no other option but to work.

  • Mami

    Yeah, women stood up and many companies are working on it, but many of them are still far away from the achievement! (TT)

  • Mami

    Arigato, Drew-san!

  • Mami

    Thank you for letting us know the mistake. Yeah, I believe that they are all pretending! (^v^) It’s pretty sad, isn’t it??

  • Mami

    Thank you for your advice! I’ll think about what to choose for referencing more carefully when I write next time(^v^)/

  • zachary T

    excellent article ( as always ^_^)… from a different perspective I would like to say, I would not mind being a house-husband. one more note, I have seen the Obaka-chara before but did not know they had a name, thanks.

  • Mami

    Thank you! and another arigato for introducing the quote(^^)/

  • Mami

    THank you Mauro-san. I’m glad to hear that you like the article(^^) Yes, 本当に!!! www 溜息( ´Д`)=3

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment and the great quote(^^) I love it! and it’s very true!!!

  • Mami

    Yeah. and aha, she is pretty qute isn’t she?

  • Mami

    Did you draw this picture??

  • Mami

    The hitting ratio of your prediction must be 100%゚+.(◕ฺ ω◕ฺ )゚+.

  • Mami

    Thank you. Oh, you don’t want to? The number of house-husbands is actually increasing a little bit in Japan.:Phehe

  • Mami

    Thank you for sharing your opinion and your country’s system! It’s very interesting. Do you think that there are many girls want to be housewives for whatever reasons in your country too?
    As for your two other hobbies, are they the other languages? I’m just personally curious so that you don’t need to tell me if you don’t want to゚+.(◕ฺ ω◕ฺ )゚+.

  • Mami

    1./2 -It depends, but usually guys pay money for kids until they grow up. and usually it’s not enough amount, so the wife goes to work…but you know, if you don’t have any experience, it’s so tough to get a good job.
    3. They will finally try finding a job, I suppose. But like I mentioned above, it’s usually very difficult to find a decent job.

    Thank you for sharing your opinion and your country situation. It’s very fascinating! As for the topic you suggested for a future blog theme, I’ll keep that in my mind. I can’t promise, but if I find a number of interesting information, it’ll likely to be my future article. (人´∀`).☆.。.:*・゚

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment! Oh, you would not mind being a house-husband!? Actually, guys who have similar idea as you are increasing a little bit in Japan too. :P

  • Mami

    Thank you for your very insightful comment! Interesting. Yeah, I agree that it’s much easier to say ‘it can’t be helped’.
    By the way, you are writing a novel about Japan, eh? Right on! WIll it be published?? (^^)/

    This is my simple English question: why did you hesitate to ‘inequality’ instead of ‘disparity’? Is there negative meaning with ‘inequality’?? (> o <)

  • KaoriCamellia

    No, thank -you- for bringing up such an important issue! I think, like with a lot of things, the habit of saying that something can’t be helped due to circumstance (yes, guilty of doing that as well) can lead to this sort of abdication of responsibility in changing things. And yes, though I wouldn’t say the novel is about Japan itself (it takes place in northern Aomori though!). I’m in the final editing stages before trying to get it published.

    Hm. Not negative really. I would say complicated. When we say ‘inequality’ in English, we typically mean to say something that has to be changed with different attitudes or new standards. When it comes to women in the workplace, this tends to result in accusations of double-standards. I.e. ‘why does a woman need special exemptions when a male employee does not?’. The answer is easy to see as soon as you look at it, but rationalizing it becomes more difficult if we want to be treated ‘equally’, So, not negative, just… difficult?

  • Mami

    >inequality vs disparity
    Oh, now I understand what you mean! It was a great explanation to follow! Arigatou!!
    >your novel❤
    Let me know when you get your novel published! I’d like to read it(^^)/

  • http://lazuli-in-paradise.com/ lazuli

    indeed I think the trick is to act like a dumb even if you’re smart…it’s part of the 男を立てる thing I guess but from a personal point of view I think I like it..nice to rest brain and focus on girly things sometimes…
    as for work, well I’m amazed about 専業主婦 in Japan because here (France) it’s obvious both man and woman work the same way even being married
    I’m not sure I’ll be 100% OK to spend the money the hubby earns working for my own hobbies, make-up, clothes and so on so I thing part time job is a good solution

  • KaoriCamellia

    You’re welcome! :) Hope it helps.
    –I’ll be sure to let you know. I would be happy to let you test-read, if you are interested. My two other testers are both native to western countries, and it would be nice to have the opinion of someone who’s spent time living in Japan (the longest I’ve ever stayed at any given point is a few months with family), especially as there is some strong social criticism in the text.

  • Mami’s Fan

    They need a heroine. They need Mami!!!!

  • Bob Saget

    I had never heard of this phrase before, thank god otherwise I would have raged on the person who said it.

    I agree; there’s nothing wrong with being a housewife, if it’s your CHOICE and not society making it your choice.

    Also, any man who says he wants a “stupid girl” is probably stupid himself and knows a person with any intelligence can see past his BS.

  • Bob Saget

    Also, at a conference I went to, they told me Akita Prefecture is #1 in husbands who help with children/housework in all of Japan…. 1 hour and 44 minutes a WEEK. I am hoping someone can find actual stats on this and give me more hope.

  • sarah

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  • Mami

    Yes!!!!! lol

  • Mami

    Yes!!!! lol

  • Mami

    Yes!!! ahaha(人´∀`).☆.。.:*・゚

  • Mami

    Oh, I’d love to be a test reader, but I read books so slow like a turtle… (TT)

  • Mami

    Ahaha, nice(^^)

  • Mami

    Wow, I didn’t know that. Thank you for sharing us the interesting information!

  • Aiko

    Thank you Mami for replying!
    So, just to get it straight, we have again women in an inconvenient situation – a housewife who has had a certain number of years spent not working, suddenly is pressed to find a job (possibly in her profession if having higher education). This is the interesting part… Now we come to the point when we ask ourselves “HOW and DOES Japanese society fight these kinds of problems?” And to continue with that – Does then a woman have such a low position in Japanese society?
    How do they, both society and women, cope with that?

    I know the article was about “stupid women vs smart ones and which one is better”, and I’m sorry that my posts are mainly concentrated on housewives and their problems being related to divorces. This is all because I am a research student (in architecture and environment though) and because my brain got used to making links of this kind during these years of research.

    However, I do think it’s an interesting topic, and I would be very glad to read the sequel if you find enough time and data to complete it!!! (◕ฺ ω◕ฺ )Y

  • Mami

    Thank you for your comment. Yeah, it’s your choice but I know some women gave up her career because it was so tough to do both ‘house work(mostly raising children)’ and ‘her job’. For example, when her kids got sick, she took days off, but she was blamed. (You can legally take days off, but we usually take certain days that were decided by your boss. If you get extra days off too often, you could get complaint. That’s a shame. (TT) What does BS mean??

  • Mami

    Thank you for sharing your idea and how things are like in your country. And, Yes, it’s definitely part of the 男を立てる thing!

  • KaoriCamellia

    I know how that is! I picked up a great book…last year… and still haven’t finished because I get so distracted with other things. -w-. If you do decide you’d like to, send me an email or something. ^^

  • Mami

    Actually, many single mothers work for ‘night job’ such as ‘hostess’ to earn enough money to raise their kids. It doesn’t mean sluts but just a job to drink alcohol with guys and talk with them in sexy costumes. Of course, not all of them though.
    I’m sorry for changing the subject, but I came across an interesting thread about Japanese divorce a couple weeks ago. It was like the Q&A forum. There was a Japanese women who wrote the following questions:
    ①I cheated on my husband and he found out. So now we are going to divorce.
    ②I’m a housewife and wonder how much does usually a woman receive after the divorce.
    People laughed at her so hard because SHE cheated on him and she has to pay him for that. The living dispense that her husband might have paid could be offset with her compensation.
    Anyway, I thought sharing this may give you a little idea for your question?? Sorry that I can’t attach the link of the site here. I don’t remember where.

  • KaoriCamellia

    Great perspective. :O It’s funny how for some things that seem a drawback in one culture can appear to be a luxury to someone from another, in some ways. Pretty crazy, but also a natural consequence of different societies!