Japanese Cohabitation Befuddles Ornery Adults

I started watching the American TV show New Girl this week and while I really enjoy the characters, zany antics, and comical situations (you should probably check it out if you haven’t, it’s a good show) it also made me think about how co-ed roommates are viewed in today’s society. In the show New Girl, four people live together in one apartment. Three males, one female – and none of them are romantically involved with one another. This isn’t really a big deal in America and most Western countries, but how would such a scenario be viewed in Japan?

Platonic Male-Female Roomies

co-ed-roomiesAround the time you get to college, it’s not that unusual for men and women to live together platonically under the same roof. I know a lot of people who’ve had an arrangement like this, and one of my friend’s sisters even lived with us at our house in college for one summer. While it’s definitely not the norm, most of the time nobody really thinks much of it unless there’s some funny business going on, they’re really old fashioned, or are a jealous boyfriend/girlfriend with trust issues.

And then there’s Japan. They don’t feel the same way about this as we Americans do. Aside from most Japanese apartments being relatively small (i.e. not much personal space) many Japanese parents are very protective of their children, especially the women, and would not be happy at all with their daughter living with a man before marriage, regardless if they were involved romantically.

just-friends“We’re just friends, I swear.”

Even if you are living with a purely platonic opposite sex roommate, good luck convincing everyone else that you aren’t actually involved somehow. Some Japanese people hard-set in their male-female relation views jump to conclusions way too fast and can’t believe that men and women can be just friends. While browsing some forums on this topic (link, link), I came across the following guy talking about his own experience in Japan.

I was showing my portfolio to a prospective client earlier today and I was commenting on a maintenance video that I made. There is a picture on the cover depicting me discussing the machine with a young woman, to which the client piped up, “Is that your wife?” I answered that it wasn’t, to which he responded, “Are you having an affair?!”

The guy claims it’s apparently much worse in the countryside, but this is just one person’s experience. Plus the post was from about 7 years ago. Regardless, this seems to be a very different view on things than it is in the West, but I’d imagine this view is mostly held by the older generation.

Living Together Before Marriage

cohabitationAnd then on the other side of the spectrum, we have males and females living together non-platonically. Lovers, boy/girlfriends, or fiancés. In America at least, I feel like it’s becoming more of a “prerequisite” for couples to live together before they get married just to make sure they can stand being around one another all the time and would survive living together if and when they get married. Sometimes it’s even encouraged for couples to “test the waters” this way. In Japan, this is not the case.

Living together before you’re married in Japan seems to be pretty rare. Many people live with their parents, alone, or with same sex roommates. If Japanese couples are living together, it wouldn’t be too strange for them to keep it secret from their family and judgmental acquaintances. Many older Japanese people and those who are old fashioned would say that if you want to live together, you should just get married because it’s the right and proper thing to do. Living together before marriage can be viewed as indecent.

proposal

If you do live with your significant other, there’s a good chance you will incur at least one of the following: general scorn, an endless stream of “When’s the wedding?”, or other related wedding questions. Regardless if people view your living arrangement as improper, they’ll most likely assume it’s a stepping stone towards marriage and in their eyes and they’d prefer to see it happen sooner than later.

I asked some of my friends living in Japan what their personal experiences were with this and what they have noticed first hand. Here’s what they had to say.

I think there are so many young people in Japan who still live at home with their parents, and they only move out when they get married. None of my friends or Japanese people I know are living with someone of the opposite sex unless they’re married. I know one guy living with his girlfriend, but he’s American and she’s Japanese so I don’t know if that counts.

I have a Canadian friend whose Japanese girlfriend basically lives at his house but still retains her own residence.

Most of my Japanese friends said that it wasn’t strange for couples who are planning on getting married to live together, but some of the older generation may look down on it. They also said that it is still kinda strange for just friends of the opposite sex to live together, especially in the countryside. However, home shares are becoming more popular, and there is more attention being brought to opposite sex roommates through dramas and movies, etc. but it’s still pretty irregular and overall people think it’s strange.

But as they say, times are changing, and in cities at least, living together before marriage might be moving towards being not so strange as it once was especially with the younger generation being desensitized to it all through dramas and movies and such. It also really depends on the location, the families, and whether or not a foreigner is involved.

While living together before marriage is not quite as rare as it used to be in Japan, it’s still much less common than it is in the West. It used to be uncommon in the West too, but since then, it’s become much more acceptable. Will the same happen for Japan? Only time will tell.


So what are your thoughts on males and females living together, platonic or otherwise? Do you think that Japan will eventually become more accepting of this practice like the West is? Have any firsthand experience with cohabitation in Japan? Let us know in the comments!

  • DAVIDPD

    So it’s basically like the United States?

  • Lizzy

    just think of all the amazing J-Dramas that wouldn’t exist if cohabitation was generally accepted by everyone! ::shutters:: D:

  • Tiffany Harvey

    “Three males, one female – and none of them are romantically involved with one another.” – Not anymore!

  • Rana

    So then,I’m assume this makes it difficult for queer and/or transgender people looking for roommate・・・。 :S

  • http://alualuna.wordpress.com/ alua

    Not sure if you realise, but your third picture is Korean (that’s from the drama Personal Taste)…

    As for the topic… what about share houses? One Japanese friend of mine lives in a share house, and it’s mixed. I don’t know if there are any relationships there, but I know my friend definitely isn’t in a relationship with anyone in her share house and I got the impression from her it wasn’t such an unusual scenario.

    Which reminds me of the Share house no Koibito dorama, in which two guys and one woman share. They don’t seem to mind too much (although they are getting romantically entangled) but the woman’s younger brother is all hung up about the situation of course.

  • http://www.tofugu.com/ Hashi

    OMG SPOILIES

  • Meg

    This makes me curious as to how same-sex marriage or being gay/lesbian/bisexual/etc. is looked at in Japan. Any information regarding this topic? I always wonder how open they are about it. I would think they aren’t THAT stuck up about it, as I’ve seen a few manga where there’s a gay character and we all know about yaoi and yuri. Does the openness of those characters and genres reflect at all upon how the general Japanese public view same-sex marriage or dating?

  • Lima

    Never let anime confuse your views on topics like these. While the Japanese are not necessarily against it, homosexuality is not very well accepted in Japan. I’ve seen an interview with a gay couple from Japan who didn’t even hold hands in public because they found it might be impolite to others.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lava.princeton Lava Yuki

    All the Yuri and Yaoi and other things in Anime and manga are what people would like the true, but is not acceptable in society. A Japanese friend told me that its to take u away from the harsh reality of long hours and commutes and lack of privacy in Japan. But wont change much in terms of cultural norms, since its fiction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lava.princeton Lava Yuki

    Co habitation is perfectly ok in Ireland where I live, and the majority of couples do so before marriage. But co habitation with opposite sex people on a platonic, non-romantic level is rare. Actually, i dnt know anyone in my whole college who lives with someone of the opposite gender and isnt romantically involved. People usually choose roomates of the same gender unless they r dating or in a serious relationship. Kinda like Japan, but not as strict, since its not looked down upon or kept a secret.

  • FIGARO

    well, I don’t like the idea of male / female living together before marriage, being acceptable in japan

    they have their own culture and they have to maintain it

  • Ginger

    I know dramas aren’t real life, but Last Friends dealt with a Share House too.

  • Ginger

    Don’t fool yourself. Males and females over a certain age living platonically together in the US will get looks and lots of questions. Just because it’s on The New Girl doesn’t mean it is accepted by society. It generally isn’t accepted after college.

  • http://www.dandelion-cha.com/ アマンダ

    Speaking of dramas, there’s Last Friends where a bunch of male and female friends had a share house. In Saiko no Rikon a divorced couple remained living together, and in Lunch no Jou the main female character lived with a family of men, none of which she was involved with. And in the end she didn’t end up with any of them and still lived with them. As a matter of fact, I’ve see plenty of dramas with men and women living together, being not married…like Yamamoto Nadeshiko Shichi Henge, Atashinchi no Danshi….a lot lol. I guess what’s seen in dramas isn’t reflective of real life.

  • Mescale

    The question is moot, we all know girls don’t exist, you saw Jurassic park right? Were those Dinosaurs real?

    Of course not.

    The truth is no one has ever seen a girl, sure we’ve seen pictures, we’ve seen films, but no one has ever seen one in real life.

    The truth is they are a fabrication, THERE ARE NO GIRLS. Just as there are No Dragons, No Unicorns and No Vampires.

    And that is why people disapprove of living with Girls, because they don’t exist.

    WEIRDOS!

  • http://espo.in/ Jonas

    I don’t mind a guy and a girl living together if they’re a couple, married or not. But I find it hard to believe that nothing’s going on if it’s a guy and a girl who’s not a couple, that would be strange.

    It’s a different thing if it’s a bigger shared house though.

  • HatsuHazama

    Well. This apparently messes up my family tree.

    I mean, what do I replace all of those dragons with?

  • http://alualuna.wordpress.com/ alua

    Well, in Saikou no Rikon they did pretend that they were still married… ;-)

  • http://alualuna.wordpress.com/ alua

    In London it’s super-common because no one can afford to live by themselves!

    The first place I lived in here I shared with a guy, and we definitely were not involved nor gay.

  • LiberalPenguin

    My impression of Japan (Tokyo that is) is that they are a lot more promiscuos than USA (like northern/western europe I guess), but tend to hide it more.

    Also, any girl/guy living together will at some point engage in some form of sexual activity if they are at all compatible. Don’t fool yourself and think otherwise.

  • 古戸ヱリカ

    As much as you want it, I just don’t think they’re bringing back the samurai haircuts. That’s what you meant with the culture thing, right?

  • 古戸ヱリカ

    Well, I didn’t see wood trolls anywhere on that list…

  • 古戸ヱリカ

    I refuse to believe in this “platonic” nonsense. I’ve seen far too many romantic comedies and harem anime to know it doesn’t exist. FICTION SAID SO!

  • http://twitter.com/tokumeiyamada Tokumei Yamada

    Not sure about platonically living together. I’ve lived with non-related women, before. Once on a different floor in the same house, once as a married man with my wife and an unmarried woman in another room (same floor, same apartment). Being in close quarters can complicate things a bit, but there’s no definite need for it to become anything more than flatmates (excuse my British English there, but I don’t want confuse any non-American readers into thinking I actually shared rooms with women like that).

    Even so, since my wife walked out on me, and I’ll be single again, I couldn’t see myself living in the same apartment as a single woman anywhere close to my age. As I said, it can complicate things. In the two-floor arrangement, several of the girls ended up with several of the guys (not me), and I was actually really uncomfortable living with the woman when my wife was still there, and I immediately moved out once my wife walked out. It may be common in the US, but I think it’s a rather complicated issue.

    I’m an American and I don’t agree with the “testing the waters” thing, though I’m a minority, particularly where I live. Becoming intimate in that way with someone you haven’t fully committed to creates all sorts of complications, no matter how “freeing” people say it is. So I guess I’m a deviant in my culture, and I’m honestly proud to be as such.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joel.alexander.980 Joel Alexander

    Aye, I was thinking that. Also thinking “you’re defining what’s normal based on what you see on TV?”

  • John

    Maybe it’s just the area I live in but I know a decent amount of people who live platonically with the opposite sex. I know a lot of girls who actually prefer to live with guys to avoid “female drama” and find it to be an easier arrangement than living with girls. As far as I know nobody gives them any trouble about it and I never thought it was strange either.

  • John

    The TV show got me thinking about the idea, but all of this was written from personal experience, forums, and my friends currently living in Japan. It seems pretty different from the US to me, but part of that might have to do with my personal views and experiences concerning the whole thing.

  • shiro

    Sharehouses were mentioned in the article, but I also have a (real life, not dorama) friend who lived in a share house and it was mixed. They seem pretty normal for young people in Tokyo. Rent’s cheaper, and overall you get a lot more space and a lot of cool amenities that you wouldn’t normally be able to fit in a Tokyo shoebox apartment, so I get the appeal.

  • shiro

    Oh yes, I would just hate to see the wonderful and utterly unchanged-since-ancient-times Japanese culture tainted by the promiscuous influence of those dirty Americans. I’m… sure my husband agrees.

  • shiro

    Though we’re both foreign girl/Japanese guy couples, my friend and I both lived with our husbands before marriage. The parents more or less knew and said nothing, but they also expected it to escalate to marriage as quickly as possible. When asked if we lived together by strangers, he would hedge: “Well, we spend most of our time together.”

    One thing I have noticed is that regardless of whatever you do or do not say, once people have caught wind of your marriage they immediately get super nosy about how you are enjoying your ~*~new married life.~*~ With absolutely no prelude, they will ask you, “So, where do you live now?” (assuming that you’ve moved in with your new husband, naturally) and, “Are you busy cooking every day?” (never bothering to ask who does the cooking).

    It’s awkward, considering my husband moved in with me 5 months before we were married and absolutely nothing has changed except the rings on our fingers, but I have to feign excitement lest my coworkers all find out I’ve been a cohabitating floozy this whole time :P

  • Hodora

    I’m curious to know where in Ireland this is. I’ve been studying in Dublin for a couple of years and I think that the majority of shared living arrangements is actually mixed gender (mostly platonic so far as I know), especially in the city centre. There are so many international students (In all of Ireland) and a lot of apartment/house owners trying to accommodate as many students a possible in an admittedly successful money spinning venture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steven.joseph.horton Steven Horton

    David, I don’t know anyone who didn’t move in BEFORE getting married. Oo;

  • besterthenyou

    Culture is ever changing. Today dads can’t just marry off daughters, unlike several hundred years ago. If it helps, compare it to language; we don’t say “where for art thou Romeo”, we say “where the hell are you, Romeo”. Also, countries can “preserve” culture in that they can document it, but unless you’re the thought police there’s no way to “maintain” it. It will change.

  • DAVIDPD

    Steven Horton, to assume personal experience can be generalized to reality is a fallacy. I do believe more and more couples from the last three or four generations have begun to cohabit in greater frequency, but to assume it is the norm is wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Leisslie-Agis/100002593747500 Leisslie Agis

    I liked your article but couldn’t get past the fact that the third image you used is of Son Ye-jin and Lee Min-ho. I just stared and stared and thought to myself… wait aren’t they Korean? lol not that it really matters

  • Nanoa

    I don’t know where you live, but in my area (Northern CA) it is completely normal for men and women and women to live together platonically long after college. I am 36, a large proportion of my unmarried friends live in mixed houses. I was actually quite surprised to read your response. I didn’t think anyone batted an eye at that sort of thing anymore.

  • John

    lol, the people in the third and fourth images are all Korean. The people in the first are American, and the people in the second are Japanese! But yeah, it doesn’t really matter too much – haha. I was just looking for photos that went with the article.

  • missingno15

    You should try watching Japan’s version, テラスハウス

    http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/terrace-house/

    Not that it really means like its an accurate description of anything, but if you watch a show that got you thinking, you might as well try watching Terrace House to see if that makes you think more things.

  • eennnnuuhh

    Would living in a share house in Japan fall under this category? It seems that there has been a rise in Japanese youngsters moving into these share houses, because the rent is cheap… It’s more like a dormitory setting I suppose.

    Meh. I may have just answered my own question. Lol

  • http://twitter.com/shollum Shollum

    It may not be quite high enough in frequency to be considered ‘the norm’, but it’s still quite common. A friend of mine lived with her boyfriend until she finally decided to take action on his being a jerk and leave, but that’s not important. I know of several other people in my larger social circle (i.e. friends of friends, friends of family, etc) that lived with their boyfriend/girlfriend to test the waters as well.

    There’s also the whole ‘might as well be living together’ thing too. Some people stay around each other so often, even staying over at their house for several days, that they might as well be living together. I also know of plenty of people who do this too.

    Of course, most of these people I know of are younger (usually in their twenties, maybe early thirties), so it may just depend on what age group you’re observing as to whether it’s ‘normal’. It also probably depends on your specific area.

  • http://twitter.com/shollum Shollum

    While I agree with your intent, I’d like to fix some things (not meant to be taken negatively):
    - Dads still married off their daughters regularly (in the US, at least) until around a century ago. If not outright, they were pressured into it.

    - Only Shakespeare would ever write/say that kind of thing, even back then. He basically invented his own language.

    But yeah, culture is culture because it differs and changes, otherwise it’d just be some kind of system.

  • jtiger

    In Norway it’s common that guys and girls live platonical with each other. But it’s most common for student to do so, since rent is pretty expencive. Of course it’s common for couples to live together too. Before. I lived with 2 guys and 2 girls. And we got along as good friends. =)

  • http://twitter.com/ayuw ★Saana

    Well that’s because couples in general don’t do that. Public display of affection is quite unusual in Japan. Sure there are some young people who kiss or hold hands in public but most couples think that it would bother others.

  • Christian

    Maybe this is just a generational thing, but no one I know/have talked to (qualification: in my generation) would ever get married without living together for about a year first.

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    I’ve had 2 different apartments over a 2 and a half year period, one with 2 guys 1 girls and one with 2 girls one guy. Not once did anything intimate happen on a level higher than friendship.

  • http://espo.in/ Jonas

    Well, that’s just how I would think as an outsider. And you’re just one out of many.

    The reason why I think like this is because I have quite a few male friends who either are or have shared an apartment with a girl, and eventually something happened with all of them…

  • Tom Case

    Perfectly normal for me and my society (24 y/o Canadian). I live with two girls platonically, who wanted to live with me for the sole reason, like John said, of avoiding “female drama”. I moved in with them because they’re much cleaner than guys (no they’re not) and they keep the house stocked on scented soaps and candles and stuff that most guys would never care about. Nobody looks at us weird, nor are we the only ones doing it. My ex-girlfriend didn’t even seem to mind. It’s quite common. It might not be the norm, but I wouldn’t say it wasn’t the norm either…

  • nonononono

    Any chance for a wallpaper here? :)

  • FIGARO

    beliefs are part of the culture, and culture symbolizes the whole country, if Japanese society accept everything that against their culture , they will have to look up for their identities, who they are !

    it’s really painful to see some Japanese people effected by american media, because america doesn’t have real culture , they are overly open to everything unaware if these things are good or bad and the reason for this, they don’t have beliefs to stand on it.

    “Many older Japanese people and those who are old fashioned would say that if you want to live together, you should just get married because it’s the right and proper thing to do. Living together before marriage can be viewed as indecent.”

    why he described those people as “old-fashioned” just because they believe in that !!

    beliefs never get old!!U_U

  • Toshiro

    Beliefs never get old? So cultures where it is/was the norm to believe Jews to be horned baby-eating demons, that’s totally acceptable and should never go out of style lest it taint the culture by changing it’s beliefs? (and yes, sadly I have encountered a couple people who’s parents taught them this when they were growing up, luckily they learned otherwise, but to one in particular it was a shocking, mortifying experience during which she found out it was wrong).

    I’m sorry, but I find your comment bizarre. I’m sure your response will be “that’s different”, but I disagree. Cultures evolve, and there is no one who gets a say in what changes or should change. Japan is quite capable of evolving in way that they maintain that they are their own culture, but in a way that is compatible or complementary to other Western cultures as well.