A Sneak Peek At Our Upcoming Kanji Learning Site: WaniKani

We’ve been moderately quiet about the kanji learning site WaniKani. Since it’s getting close to private alpha time (if you get the 30 Day Ebook there’s a link in there for previously said private alpha) I wanted to shed some details on the project that Viet’s been so hard at work on all these months. Of course, since it’s quite early everything I’m about to say is liable to change, but don’t you want to know more anyways?

All In The Name

wanikani name

Perhaps the hardest part about building WaniKani was coming up with a name. It seemed like every day in January we were just listing off name after name after name, trying to come up with something we liked. Here are some failed names:

  • iheartkanji.com
  • kanjikan.com
  • kanjithehardway.com
  • kanjify.com
  • kanjimaster.com
  • narwhalapp.com

Yeah. Those are pretty bad. On one fateful day, though, I opened a kanji dictionary up to the fish (魚) section (yeah, there’s a fish section, seriously) and wrote down all of the aquatic animal names since most of our stuff seems to be sea-creature themed. I was looking for two animals that had rhyming names. The only two I came across were a match made in heaven: Wani (alligator) and Kani (Crab).

Of course, the moment we tried imagining what the mascot would look like we were sold. CRABIGATOR. ALLICRAB. WANIKANI.

What Is WaniKani?

The idea behind WaniKani is nice and simple. Basically, we wanted to create something that we’d actually use to learn kanji and vocab. In order to do that, we would have to cover five main things:

  1. Kanji Radicals
  2. Kanji Meanings
  3. Kanji Readings (we narrow it down to the most important one for you so you don’t have to learn a million readings per kanji)
  4. Vocabulary Meaning
  5. Vocabulary Reading

That’s a lot of stuff, but each item on the list is helped by the item before it. For example, a kanji’s meaning comes from the radicals. A vocab’s meaning comes from the kanji that makes it. Etc. Learn them all and you’ll be able to read Japanese. Although this constitutes a lot of items to learn, our goal is to give people to ability to learn all of these within a year. We’re thinking 50 weeks, actually. That way you can take two weeks off for Columbus Day, or something.

Mnemonics, SRS, & Simplicity

As you might expect, learning kanji on WaniKani involves mnemonics, SRS, and a few pounds of simplicity thrown in for good measure. The mnemonics are all made in-house, and also cover the vocabulary (which, I think, is pretty unheard of). When you’ve proven to the computer monster that you’ve learned a new item (radical, kanji, or vocab), it gets put into your review pile. Once they’re in your review pile the SRS kicks in and then based off your answers it will show you the question more often or less often. We’ll definitely be testing and adjusting the “spaces” part of our “spaced repetition system” too when testing begins.

The most important thing for us, though, was the simplicity and ease of use. There are a few similar things out there, but usually it involves combining multiple (complicated) resources into one giant rat king of kanji learning. While combining multiple resource types into one application is a good start, we also wanted to be careful not to let that over-complicate things. Every time we try to add something (Viet’s very good at this) we ask each other what it will do and if it is actually necessary. If it’s not, we cut it. If it is, we then try to shave that feature down to the bare minimum while not losing its purpose. We want to make WaniKani a pleasure to use, above everything else.

Find Out More!

Over the coming weeks I’ll be posting more about WaniKani, but mostly on WaniKani-related sites (sometimes on Tofugu too, though). If you’d like to know more about this project, be sure to follow us via your favorite following service.

Blog: http://blog.wanikani.com
Twitter: @WaniKaniApp
Facebook: http://facebook.com/wanikani/

You can also sign up for access to the closed Beta (don’t have a timeline for that, but it’ll be after the Alpha) by going to the WaniKani homepage and clicking on the giant 鰐蟹. It’ll then let you put your email in. When the beta is ready, we’ll let you know about it. Of course, if you are dying to get in a little bit earlier, getting a copy of the 30 Day Ebook will give you a link to sign up for the Alpha.

In today’s post, I only went over some of the broad, general details on WaniKani. I’ll be diving into specifics over the next few weeks, but if you have any questions in the meantime put them in the comments below and I’ll answer the ones that I can!

  • http://twitter.com/Musouka Musouka

    I’m very excited to try my hands on the Alpha. This is more sophisticated than I have originally anticipated :)

  • Othique

    LOVE THIS. I’ve honestly been waiting for this since first discovering tofugu, lol… I know, I put a lot of responsibility on you, I’m sorry, I’m a lazy person. But I’m a huge fan, does that make up for anything?

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    oh good! :D

  • Chris Lastnamerson

    You guys do some of my favorite web design, you know. I love all your designs so much! It’s really refreshing to see all this great stuff you come out with looking so good. Will WaniKani be a subscription site?

    I’d love to help out however I can, so I’ll be scanning for entry to that beta. Hit me up if you ever need more hands with site work, too! I’m fairly cozy with front-end, I’ve done plenty with CSS and could figure out HTML5 if needed. I’m a programmer too, but for the web I don’t have any footing with back-end work. And hit me up even if you guys don’t want any extra hands, because you’re cool bros.

  • http://twitter.com/WackoMcGoose Kimura Okagawa

    How long does the confirmation email take to be sent? It’s been 15 minutes and I haven’t seen anything in my Comcast inbox (and I can’t double-check in Thunderbird due to wifi portblocks).

  • Jateku

    When I was reading this I saw 鰐蟹 I did not know it so i looked it up and then…O-O…crab crocodile? 
    I use heisig’s method with SRS and It works well for me^^Also, I look up any new kanji I see any-ware and add it to my Anki deck…It really speeds up my progress!^O^Is this going to be all them put together?

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    the email that confirms you signed up for the list? that one should be pretty speedy, but I’d wait a few more minutes then try again.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    It is – but if you’re already on Heisig’s and deep in that I’d recommend sticking with it. Different radical names and such will throw you off, prolly! Use what works for you, you know?

  • Toms Jensen

    ios support? Something to think about :D

  • Brennan Kulp

    So glad I got the 30日 ebook now!!!

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Thanks for the offers! I’ll keep it in mind. 

    Viet’s doing the design on this one. He’s a hero at this sort of thing.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    The WaniKani has been waiting for you, too, Othique.

  • Toms Jensen

    Man, I would buy the e-book, but I have already been studying Japanese for around 30 days, so I’d only be buying it for the closed alpha. To all you lucky people, make sure you have fun in the alpha for me.

  • Popsicle

    I bought the e book a while ago, but I never was able to get into the alpha. I don’t know if I missed something… Help?

  • http://www.tofugu.com/ Hashi

    We’re definitely making sure that the site looks good and works wll on mobile platforms!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1550596562 Alexa VanDemark

    So excited! Kanji is my favorite part about learning Japanese, I can’t wait to learn more!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.web Michael Webster

    Looks great! Lots of pink from what I can see ^^.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    did you sign up to the alpha list using the link in the extras folder? If so, you should be on the list, though alpha hasn’t started yet.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    The official color of kanji

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Ebook doesn’t cover first thirty days of learning Japanese tho!

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    yay

  • Toms Jensen

    Definitely a plus, but I’m one of those rebels who doesn’t have enough for a data plan >.<
    I was wondering if you guys might make an app in the future.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    We’ve thought about it, but since we require people to type in the answer (recall is better than multiple choice) having to input text for each answer on a mobile device is a bit painful… but, we’ll make sure it looks good on iPad, at the very least, and probably make it look good on iPhone/Smartphone too… though it’s definitely made for the keyboard and computer.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    oh goood!

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    It’s possible, but not something we’re ready to think about quite yet.

  • Chris Lastnamerson

    I agree then, he’s great! Also, I’m totally using my Disqus account next time; Google integration didn’t include my profile picture or any way for me to know I got a comment :c

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    oh nose :(

  • Michael

    I’d love to give this a try but… I’ve already learned kanji! :D And by that I mean I’ve learned enough so that any new ones are a piece of cake.  All hail Heisig! ;)
    Anyway, is this site going to take over from the kanji section in TextFugu?  Would you really need both?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1567001652 Jamal Antonio

    Any idea what the pricing will be like yet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=731397337 Miriam Shimamura

    I was going to pay the $120 for the lifetime account in textfugu, I have completed the free season 1.  Should I still sign up there or as well as this? Will this cost, or will it be a tool available to textfugu members?

  • http://espo.in/ Jonas

    If you need extra developers you know where to ask ;)

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    Been trying to learn kanji for 5 years. If I can learn even 1 from your site, you’ve made miracles happen.
    Till then, kanji is 100% impossible to learn.

    BTW, I have never understood the whole “what does this kanji mean” and the answer is in English. Isn’t this as bad a habit as using romaji as a crutch?

  • Toms Jensen

    I was told before (by Koichi) that TextFugu members will still have to pay for WaniKani, however they will get a sizable discount, and also that WaniKani won’t cost that much to begin with.

  • Toms Jensen

    TextFugu does wonders ;)

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    I’ve had Textfugu since it launched. Hasn’t helped a bit.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Could you elaborate on what you mean about ‘what does this kanji mean’ and how it’s not helpful? Just want to make sure I understand first before I respond! tytytyty

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    I’d say WaniKani’s more like a supplement to TextFugu. Kanji ordering will be a bit different on WaniKani (and more so as time goes by, I think) and it’ll focus only on kanji / vocab. So… it’s hard for me to say for you, but TextFugu is more like the thing you can use to learn Japanese on a whole. WaniKani is more like the tool you use to take care of the most difficult part of learning Japanese, kanji and vocab.

    TextFugu members will get around a 40% discount on WaniKani, though. We’re planning to make it less than $10/month, too, though we haven’t figured that out quite yet… still debatingggg.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    nah, you wouldn’t really need both – but the experience will be way better on WaniKani, just because it tells you what to do, has everything in one place, and we’ll be collecting data on ‘problem items’ so we can change them and make them better for people to remember.

  • Toms Jensen

    I’ve always been confused as to the differences between the reading and the vocab, but it just turned out to be a the-more-you-do-it-the-more-sense-it-makes kind of thing. Anywho, knowing what the kanji means is exactly the same as knowing what a Japanese word means, it’s not really a crutch at all. Kanji really just is something you need to practice, and then practice, and then practice some more.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Looking to do $10 or less per month. Most likely less.

    Yep, Viet coded it all.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    thanks dood!

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    WaniKani might not be good for you, then :(

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    The screenshot below “Mnemonics, SRS, & Simplicity” shows a screenshot of a kanji and asks “kanji meaning?” The answer is in English. 

    I guess I’m wondering why the answer isn’t in romaji or kana with a Japanese word.

    Wouldn’t learning kanji with English meanings make it much much harder to read? If I saw that Kanji symbol and my first thought was “below” instead of “shita” or “した” isn’t that a problem?

    I don’t want to be reading kanji and only seeing English in my head.

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    Granted I get frustrated and jealous of people who seem to have no problem at all learning Japanese, so I’m sure it’s partially a mental block on my part. I haven’t looked at Textfugu in like a year (other than than Dashboard), so granted, I should give it another chance.

    I think my biggest problem is I need to ask LOTS of questions and I can never find a single human being to answer them.

    Unfortunately I learn best in a classroom setting with a teacher where I /can/ ask questions, but Japanese is not taught anywhere near me (Scranton, PA).

  • http://www.vietamins.com Viet

    You are tested for both the English definition (meaning) and the kana (reading). English definition is latin character input for obvious reasons. Kana reading will be answered in Japanese hiragana or katakana with our built in Japanese IME input system.

    Answers are purely based on keyboard input. We aren’t firm believers in the multiple choice methods. You should be able to recall the answer, not by process of elimination.

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    I don’t see how this answers my question at all? My question is (basically) why ask for English at all? Isn’t this only hurtful to the learner? Shouldn’t learning kanji be about learning how to read the Japanese?

  • Toms Jensen

    Is there also gonna be a ‘forevah’ subscription because monthly payments are my worst enemy.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    So, what is the meaning of した then? It can’t also be した, otherwise it has no meaning. Same with 下. It has both a reading and a meaning. You have to learn them both otherwise you’re just learning how to read something, but you don’t understand what it means.

    Does that make sense?

  • http://www.vietamins.com Viet

    This is in response to

    “I don’t see how this answers my question at all? My question is (basically) why ask for English at all? ISn;t this only hurtful to the learner?”

    I don’t see it being hurtful to the user at all. If you don’t know what a kanji means, then how would it be useful to you as a user? If I see the kanji 犬 and only know the reading いぬ, how are these two pieces of knowledge useful to me by themselves? Only when I make the connection that they English definition of ‘dog’ does it become useful.

    It’s akin to being able to read, but not understanding what you are reading.

  • http://www.twitter.com/christaran Chris Taran

    Hmm, I guess this goes back to my root of why kanji is so hard for me. There are multiple readings (also maybe meanings?) for every kanji right? So how do you learn them all and when to use them?

    How do I know when 下 reads as shita or when it reads as one of the myriad other ways?

    If all I associate 下 with is “below” I’m afraid I’ll never understand all those other readings or uses or whatnot. Learning a single kanji is just so so complex in my eyes.