Lang-8 Review: Quite Possibly the Best Way to Practice Your Japanese Writing

The title of this post says it all. Lang-8 is an absolutely amazing way to practice your Japanese. I’ve been using Lang-8 for about six months now, and plan on using it a lot more this summer. It is a mix of social networking and language learning, though I think the emphasis lands mostly on the latter. Although it’s not a website just for Japanese language learning, that’s what I’ll be talking about for the most part today. Those that are learning Korean, Chinese (traditional and simplified), English, Spanish, and Japanese are all invited…though that makes me wonder, why is it called Lang-8? Maybe they are planning on adding other languages later. Perhaps if a Lang-8 staff is reading this, they can fill us all in.

Anyways, I should explain to you what Lang-8 is all about. They do a better job explaining it than I do, so here you go:

Let me explain these three steps in more detail

1) You can write entries in the languages you are studying
So, say you are studying Japanese (which you probably are, if you’re visiting this site). On Lang-8, the most-used feature is the “diary” (yes, you get to be a 12 year old girl all over again. Sorry, no ponies on this site, though). In your diary, you can write whatever you want. I plan on using my diary this summer to fix mistakes on my Koichiben posts. Basically, you can write about whatever you want. Some people write about current news that interests them, others write about their lives, and some (like me) write crazy articles about American culture and language.

If you’re nice enough, you’ll also write everything in your native language (Japanese and then, afterwards, in English). This way, others can see what the translation is supposed to be and can help correct your Japanese with more accuracy. On top of this, it gives people that are learning English an opportunity to practice their reading more.

2) Other users (Native speakers) correct your entries
After you write an article, all you need to do is sit back and wait for your friends to correct it for you. Since you are learning Japanese, native Japanese speakers will come along and fix your mistakes, give you comments/suggestions, and tell you anything else you did wrong. Here’s an example of part of an article I put up about “the meaning of the word love in America.” Here are Miki’s corrections:

The corrections are in blue on your diary page, so you can easily see how people made changes, which in turn really helps you to learn. Users can also highlight text red, make things bold, and cross words out. More on that later.

3) You can help teach others your own language as well
You can’t just take take take, right? It’s always a good idea to help others as well. If you can speak English, then why not help a native Japanese person with their English, and practice your Japanese reading at the same time (since people usually write in both their native language and the language they are learning)? Recent diary entries from your friends will show up on your front page, so they are easy to find. Here is an example diary entry from a user than I am Lang-8 “friends” with. This person seems to have taken the “recent news” approach, and is writing about some old actress:

After reading the diary entry, I’ll scroll down a little farther and find the section that allows me to make corrections, sentence by sentence. It looks like this:

Everyone has their own way of making corrections, so you’ll have to figure out your own style at some point. Either way, Lang-8 makes it easy to make corrections and make them simple, so it’s really a pleasure to help others out (and a pleasure for others to help you).

Making Friends in Lang-8:
Unlike Mixi, making friends on Lang-8 is very easy. Everyone using the service wants to make friends, even if they don’t know you already. The more friends you have the faster and more thoroughly your diaries will be corrected. When going out and making Lang-8 friends, I would suggest that you only make friends with people whose native language is Japanese. This makes things a lot more simple.

To make friends on Lang-8, I created tabs of everyone on the “People match to your language study!” (great English, right?) section (on the left side of your profile page). I then hit the “add to my friends list button” if they were native Japanese speakers and sent them the following message. Feel free to use it if you want:

hi!
lang-8に入ったばっかりです!
お友達になりませんか?
よろしくお願いいたします

It is basically saying: “I just got into Lang-8! Will you be my friend? I’m looking forward to your reply.” It’s also very polite, so you won’t have to worry about offending anyone.

Other Lang-8 Features:
There are some other features on Lang-8 that I don’t really use, but are worth mentioning.

One of the things you can do, which is a lot like writing in your diary, is to write a review of something (movie, game, restaurant, whatever). I don’t see why you can’t just do this in your diary, though, so I’m not sure how much you’ll use this feature.

The other feature, which is slightly more useful, is the ability to join groups. There aren’t a ton of groups out there, but if you can find one that matches your interests, then maybe you’ll be able to enjoy it enough to make things worthwhile. I personally haven’t joined any groups yet, but maybe you are the groupy kind of person.

Cons:
I couldn’t find too much wrong with Lang-8, though the design of the site bothers me (maybe I’m just a very picky / visual person). It’s pretty darn fugly, though, if you ask me. Still, you shouldn’t let this bother you or stop you from using Lang-8, it’s still a great service, and content is king, right?

Another con is that you really need to have your Japanese basics down before you get started (not Lang-8′s fault, only yours, you lazy bum). It’s all about reading and writing, so if you’re unable to do those things at least on a basic level, then you need to hit the books before signing up.

Lastly, you have to make friends before you can really start to appreciating it. This usually involves a day or two of blindly asking 40-50 random people to be your friend. Luckily, the response rate is pretty fast, and the success rate is pretty high. Still, this is the internet, and nobody on the internet is patient.

Conclusion:
Yeah, Lang-8 is amazing. You should really go visit them right now, if you’re learning Japanese. Using this website to its full potential is quite possibly the best thing ever. Sometimes I feel like I learn more from Lang-8 than from real teachers, mostly thanks to the format of the corrections. Here, I’ll even provide you with a big button you can press to join Lang-8. Making things easier, one Tofugu user at a time:

Oh, and here’s a video review:
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  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    You can now leave Video comments. Rock on.

    Also, I wrote a little bit about “how to leave good video comments” over on my other site, Vlogly, so check it out if you’re interested in Vlogging and making better online videos!

    http://www.vlogly.com/2008/05/8-tips-and-tricks

  • WOTDsctoo

    Awesome!

    Although I probably won’t utilize this right away, I’ll keep it on the back burner for Summer.

    Japanese + Spanish practice. :D Thanks!

  • http://www.sanokame.com Sano

    Wow this is just what I need! I’ll be starting my studies real soon so this will definitely be useful, thanks!!

  • KY

    Lang-8 means ” language ∞(infinite) “

  • http://youtube.com/profile?user=chokudori クリス

    Wow, this couldn’t have come at a better time. I’ve always written things down in Japanese, but never had the opportunity to have someone correct it. I do have a Japanese friend that can understand, but I didn’t want to bother him with every single little thing I wrote. But now I have somewhere to go where others are willing to do it; Lang-8 seems to let me do just that. My current math professor is also Japanese, but I’ve always hesitated to ask anything about correcting my Japanese, because he is my math teacher, not my Japanese teacher, haha.

    Also kudos on the video comment system. I think I’ll take a look at more of your Vlogy tips before I go on about leaving video comments.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification

  • http://www.goddesscarlie.com GoddessCarlie

    Thanks for this. I have actually never heard of lang8, I’ll go check it out.

    It would be so much easier if I had a web cam or a lap top with one built in. Instead I have a camera where it is very awkward to place it somewhere to talk into it. However, i really want to start making videos (although I’m better behind than in front…)

  • Amenll

    I just followed a link to lang-8 from the more recent post about mixi. I registered there and then came back here to find this new post! I guess the universe is sensitive to me… (<_<) (>_>)

  • http://www.cruxay.com Cruxay

    Very interesting review Koichi-san.

    But, is there a way prevents other North Americans (who believe they are either Japanese or at a Japanese natives speaking level) from correcting my stuff? =)

  • http://tofugu.com Tofugu_Erin

    Well, not really, but you will probably be able to tell the native speakers from your fellow learners, so it’s not really an issue.

  • http://www.tofugu.com Viet

    Mmmm Sac Sac

  • fredydb327

    This seems amazing! I’m gonna try it out in Spanish first and than later Japanese. Then I’ll recommend to as many people possible. I will also tell them, “join, cause tofugu says so!”
    It seems really cool though! Also, video comments seem cool but I have no webcam.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    haha, most useless video comment ever :)
    still, at least you used the feature

  • http://www.tofugu.com Viet

    It may be the most useless video comment ever, but at the moment it is the second BEST video comment ever.

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Bushido Blade 2: Now I have the THIRD best comment ever.

  • http://www.vlogly.com jaered

    Bushido Blade 2

  • Pete

    Nice find guy(s), I can finally give my Japanese teacher a break from correcting all my notes.
    Now I just have to come up with something worth writing (within my limited ability)….

  • http://www.michaelburnner.com oo0speed0oo

    I can definitely use this, thanx for the heads up. It looks like tons and tons of pages of things to read and practice. WOTDsctoo and fredydb327 let me know if you need any help with Spanish let me know. (Spanish is supposed to be my first language since i was born and raised in a Spanish family in NYC, but it can use so dusting up lol)

    Those were useless video comments but funny as HELL!

  • Hans

    Hey thanks for posting about this. I hadn’t heard of them before, and I think this looks like a pretty cool website. Usually I don’t like to post things in Japanese without knowing I can make what I want to say accurate and clear, but now I can make a few mistakes and learn a thing or two.

  • icwiener

    I rather think that lang 8 stands for “lang aid”. I do not see any sense in “lang infinity”.

  • icwiener

    I rather think that lang 8 stands for “lang aid”. I do not see any sense in “lang infinity”.

  • http://www.tokidoki.splinder.com/ Tokidoki

    It seems obvious to me that the name of the site should be read as “lang-ハチ” that is “lang-hachi” which is similar to “language”…

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    hmm, i guess i don’t see the similarity. Also, it’s a site for 6 different languages, so I’m not sure if they would be so particular about one of the languages.

  • Rebekah

    I’m a lazy learner, so I can’t use it right now. I lack the skills needed and what not, but I’ll keep it in my bookmarks. Eventually I’ll meet the skill requirement! xD

  • Zaywex

    Myabe it’s lang8 because ‘language’ has eight letters in it?

  • Eevee

    Regardless of what the name stands for…
    This is a really awesome tool for learning.
    Thanks for the info Koichi! =]

  • http://www.lang-8.com/?m=pc&a=page_f_home&l=en&target_c_member_id=5076 Raichu

    Do you know how the lang-8 site is funded?
    I can’t see any advertisements.
    Do you think they will start charging for the service?

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    I don’t think it’s really funded by anyone, though I could be wrong. My guess is that it’s being run by a few people who are just really interested in providing a service by using their talents.

  • nacest

    So basically if your mother language is not one of those 6 languages signing up is a waste of time, right?

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    I don’t know, seems like your English is pretty good, and that’s one of the options

  • nacest

    I’d feel like being too conceited to correct others’ English. XD
    Anyway I’ve registered and it seems like any language is accepted, including mine. Cool!

    BTW, thanks for the suggestion!

  • paranoid

    Thanks a bunch

  • paranoid

    Seesmic video reply from Disqus.

  • paranoid

    yay it worked!

  • http://www.tofugu.com koichi

    Didn’t know you could leave audio comments. Did you just cover your cam, or did you play with the adobe flash settings? Either way, rock on being the first non-Tofugu writer video-ish comment :)

  • Connor Johnston

    no matter what i do i suck at learning japanese ….. seriously i am bad …. tell me the way sensei yayayayayayayayayay is that right ?

  • bambooshoots

    I know this entry was from hellas long ago, but seriously, this website really knocked my slippers off! I’ve been using it for the past couple of days now and I got a comment less than an hour from my first post! I’m trying to get others to join as well. I just wanted to commend you on such a great find.
    本当にどうもありがとうございました!

    (my first tofugu post! =D)

  • http://kaigaishii.blogspot.com M_Ridhwan

    Awesome! Another cool post from you Koichi. But unfortunately I can’t use Lang-8 yet as I’m not yet proficient in Japanese language. Perhaps I will use it to test my English first.

    Hmm, video comments..nah, I couldn’t do it, for now.

  • mpahu

    This is a great link, Koichi. Thanks a lot.
    Though I don’t really study Japanese, I enjoy your blog, and this thing will be great for my Spanish studying! =D

  • http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid namida1984b

    thankys

  • http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid namida1984b

    thank you sr

  • Kitam

    gah.. so do i learn things in romanji or kanji or that other thingg… omg ima die learning this -_-

  • furrykef

    I don’t think it’s a good idea to refuse corrections merely because they’re from people who are not native speakers. I (a native English speaker) correct other people’s Spanish all the time and I often catch clear mistakes that other natives had passed over. If I’m not sure about a correction I always make note of it, and I also always make it clear that I’m not a native and therefore may not have found all the mistakes. If somebody were to refuse my corrections simply because I wasn’t a native, I would find them close-minded at best and bigoted at worst. There’s just no reason.

    - Kef

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  • Sukotto

    I can’t wait to use this site! I hope I can write in Japanese real soon! If it wasn’t for my horrible memory…

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